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Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

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Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby Dhammanando » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:38 am

Does anyone want to talk about them?

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Re: Paccekabuddhas, anyone?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jan 01, 2009 5:48 am

Greetings venerable,

I'd be interested in any references that compare their qualities and attainments to that of a Sammasambuddha.

What differentiates them from fully enlightened Buddhas other than their inability to form their own dispensation?

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Postby jcsuperstar » Thu Jan 01, 2009 6:20 am

i'm interested!!
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Re: Paccekabuddhas, anyone?

Postby Ben » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:07 am

Thank you Ajahn for offering to translate and transcribe the article.
I am also very interested.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: Paccekabuddhas, anyone?

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:49 am

I'm interested! why just recolect the qualities of one buddha, or one type of Buddha?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Paccekabuddhas, anyone?

Postby Will » Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:58 pm

Absolutely interested. Does he contrast the Mahayana view of same or are they pretty much the same?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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"You're almost at the end of your lease in this burning house and yet you continue latching onto it as your self. It tricks you into feeling fear and love, and when you fall for it, what path will you practice? " Upasika Kee Nanayon


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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun Jan 04, 2009 4:31 pm

Now and then in the Suttas you run across mention of a certain Paccekabuddha. It would be interesting to make a compilation of their exploits.

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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby Will » Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:43 pm

In verse 41 and some others the word "companions" is used - "In the midst of companions there are sport, enjoyment, and great love for sons ..." It sounds like, in some cases, "family" or "wife" or "marriage" is meant, more than buddies or associates?
A bodhisattva does not become weary of evil beings nor does he commit the error of bringing forth thoughts inclined to reject them and cast them aside. Avatamsaka Sutra, ch. 25

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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby Jason » Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:11 am

Excellent idea for a thread. Incidentally, this reminds me of something that I read a while ago in A Buddhist Philosophy of Religion by Bhikkhu Nanajivako, which suggests that there is a possibility this particular poem was modelled after a Jaina one, or vice versa. I no longer have the book (although I did find online), but I know that in the , an important Jaina text detailing the lives of the Jaina founders, it states that Mahavira was "single and alone like the horn of a rhinoceros" (261).
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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby Ben » Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:49 am

Thank you Ajahn for providing the alternative translations of the sutta. It is beautiful and one which I think many of us feel no small measure of affinity.
Thanks also for pointing out that the Khaggavisāṇa Sutta was in fact the sayings of the Paccekabuddhas. My mistaken impression was that it was the Buddha's advice to the sangha.
Also, I was interested to note that the Isigili Sutta is regarded as a paritta. If you don't mind me asking, in what way does the Isigili Sutta offer protection?
Many thanks

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Learn this from the waters:
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but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Paccekabuddhas in Canon & Commentary

Postby Dhammakid » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:12 am

Yes indeed, thank you venerable bhikkhu for providing the wonderful translations of the sutta. This greatly appeals to my introvert tendencies (although sometimes I'm an extrovert as well. Guess you can call me a multivert :D )

I second Ben's request.

Also, a question: If, when there is no Dhamma dispensation in the world, one becomes a paccekabuddha, will others in the world know about this monumental event? Or are solitary buddhas destined to anonymity until a future sammasambuddha comes along and recognizes them?

What practice leads one to paccekabuddha-hood if you don't have the Dhamma to guide you? Just meditation? Do the suttas say anything about this?

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