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Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

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Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Mojo » Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:43 pm

I already have Breathe! You Are Alive by Thich Nhat Hanh. Would I be better served to buy someone else's interpretation of the Anapanasati Sutta?

Thank you.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good translation?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:53 pm

From what I've read, his writings on anapanasati are more "interpretation" than "translation." Helpful stuff, but it definitely lacks the nuance of a more scholarly approach.


Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good translation?

Postby Aloka » Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:55 pm

Hi mojo,

There's the sutta itself:



There's an Anapanasati pdf book by Buddhadasa Bhikkhu:



An article about Anapanasati by Ajahn Sumedho:



with kind wishes

Aloka

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good translation?

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Mojo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:21 pm

I should like to note that I'm going start sitting with a Thich Nhat Hanh group on this week. They are the only group around that doesn't burn incense - incense I'd a deal breaker for me. I suppose I'm a tad bit apprehensive of following ESL instructions.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good translation?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:52 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Mojo » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:17 pm

It bothers my breathing and I've seen reports stating it is as dangerous as second hand cigarette smoke.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Mar 04, 2013 8:47 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby danieLion » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:10 pm

That's the question that propelled me to start studying the suttas, and I'd say no, it's not a good interpretation.

In addition to being in the Anapanasati Sutta, all four of the aforementioned core instructional tetrads can also be found in the following canonical discourses:

-the "Greater Exhortation to Rahula Discourse" (Maha-Rahulovada Sutta, MN 62);[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.062.than.html]
-sixteen discourses of the Samyutta Nikaya's (SN) chapter 54 (Anapana-samyutta): SN 54.1, SN 54.3–SN 54.16, SN 54.20;[http://www.accesstoinsight.org /tipitaka/sn/sn54/sn54.006.than.html; http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... than.html; http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html]
-the "To Girimananda Discourse" (Girimananda Sutta, AN 10.60); and,[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an10/an10.060.piya.html] the Khuddaka Nikaya's Patisambhidamagga's section on the breath, Anapanakatha.

The first tetrad identified above (relating to bodily mindfulness) can also be found in the following discourses:

-the "Great Mindfulness Arousing Discourse" (Mahasatipatthana Sutta, DN 22)[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/dn/dn.22.0.than.htm] and, similarly, the "Mindfulness Arousing Discourse" (Satipatthana Sutta, MN 10),[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.010.nysa.html] in the section on Body Contemplation; and,
-the "Mindfulness concerning the Body Discourse" (Kayagatasati Sutta, MN 119) as the first type of body-centered meditation described.[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.119.than.html]

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 04, 2013 9:30 pm

if I remember the Book propperly his has the only english rendering of the Chinese Agama versions that are freely & readily available in English, so it has some worth from that perspective. But I have never really liked the lovey dovey approach or the realigning of sanghadisesa rules that his community has done so.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Spiny Norman » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:20 am

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Mojo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:48 am

I'm leaning toward getting Larry Rosenberg's Breath by Breath.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:34 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Mojo » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:22 pm

Thanks for the recommendations. For those familiar with both Buddhadasa and Rosenberg, what are the main differences in their presentations of Anapanasati? I should also note that I'm not particularly interested in whether I attain jhana or not.

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Mar 05, 2013 10:28 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby beeblebrox » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:57 am

Hi everyone,

Just so that there isn't any confusion... the book includes a translation, with some interpretation, basically to keep it from being dry. It's complete with the 16 exercises. There's also a commentary by Nhat Hanh.

Generally, the lay people who I practice with don't do this exclusively. It's more like a foundation. There's also guided meditation, that they do sometimes. They do walking meditation, and they also do a sharing at the end... where they usually would just talk about what's been going on with life, and how they apply their practice.

That's it pretty much. There are different types of people practicing together. I think that it's nice.

:anjali:

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Re: Breathe! You Are Alive - good interpretation?

Postby Spiny Norman » Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:23 pm

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