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REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby Viscid » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:44 pm

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:48 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:45 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:28 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby danieLion » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:33 pm

While I wouldn't say the last several posts are off topic, they are a little lopsided in terms of the OP (the focus seems to have narroed to Point Three of the OP). I'm not going to make a big deal of it if you don't want to do this, but could you (Viscid, LonesomeYogurt, daverupa) please relate what you've posted lately to the other Two Points of the OP (i.e.,why meditation is necessary and can we know if it's "original"?)?
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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby daverupa » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:19 pm

My contribution has been to supply a chart reference; but, let's see here...

The first point is the need for meditation; I saw this sentence as being, "need to in order to eliminate dukkha", rather than there being some inherent necessity. It's true to say this of all aspects of the eightfold path.

The second point relates to the meditation of the earliest Buddhists & is definitely worth trying to understand, but making unilateral claims is probably overstepping available evidence. Nevertheless, without making reference to people doing things rightly or wrongly, we can make reference to whether this or that method can plausibly be said to be an engagement with Samadhi (sammaviriya, -sati, -samadhi) or not; meditation methods are thick on the ground, but only some are efficacious with respect to Buddhist goals.

And rebirth has nothing to do with the practice, as Pāṭaliya was instructed. I don't even think Sariputta contacted rebirth-facts (?), and in any event contact with such information isn't required for awakening.

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby Viscid » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:03 pm

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby danieLion » Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:35 am

Thanks Viscid. That's a good tie-in to the whole OP.

Does "name-dropping" really bother you? If so, why?

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:27 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

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"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:38 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: REAL Meditation: The Originalist Thesis

Postby Viscid » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:05 am

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