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Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

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Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby manas » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:51 am

[EDIT: Parts 1 and 2 are, imo, excellent and well researched. But in part three, the narrator departs from relating what is mostly the views of reputable physicists and neuroscientists, and goes off on his own tangent, trying to posit, afaics, a kind of Determinism. So, now that I have watched part 3, I am not quite so enthused about the movies as a whole, because I sense a disturbing agenda unfolding in the third. I don't recommend Part 3 on.]

It is actually a series of movies, and available on YouTube. It is still sinking in for me; there is much to digest. I suggest giving it a chance, as there is information here that will astound you. :shock: And it's all based on science, on scientific experiments that have been repeated and verified by reputable scientists:



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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:50 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby manas » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:36 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby iforgotmyname » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:13 pm

Manas, agreed - this is some good stuff. I knew about the observer problem but didn't know the double slit experiment in such detail. Awesome video - and best part is cutting edge science doesn't require faith, yet it inspires you by making you rethink what you thought you knew! I love this stuff!

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby manas » Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:58 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby manas » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:44 am

Ugh. I just watched the third movie. The narrator was heading off into his own tangent. If I could sum up why I find it irritating, it is this notion: "the Infinite I conceives reality, the brain receives reality, and the physical mind perceives reality." It actually gets even worse than that. He says "stop trying to do Higher Self's job. You are not in control; your job is to respond to whatever experiences and situations that Higher self creates for you" and so on. He dismisses the idea that we need to improve ourselves. He seems to be espousing a kind of Determinism. So in the end, a tad disappointing!

Still respect the many eloquent physicists in the first two vids, though.

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perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby iforgotmyname » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:16 pm

Good to know - I've only seen the first part. He did seem a little determined to push the whole holographic universe theory onto us.

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:02 pm

I think it's a clue that Davis doesn't tell us anything about himself...

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9538 ... ree-to-fly

Is this the same Steven Davis who wrote the possibly more interesting:
Hammer of the Gods, the Led Zeppelin Saga ?
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5865 ... f_the_Gods

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:12 pm

Actually there seem to be at least two different authors named Stephen Davis.
Here's the one to do with this thread:
http://www.amazon.com/Stephen-Davis/e/B ... _pel_pop_1

Seems like a nice guy, but not someone I'd take seriously as a commentator on modern physics...

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby purple planet » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:57 pm

I dont know what i think- but no doubt the expirements of the double slit (which i knew of) and the before hapening brain response - are mind blowing

i watched part 1-2 and allmost all of three - i guess i dont want to get in to this cause i fear it might disturb my progress by making me have much more thoughts - especially doubts about my meditiation - but still i might have read about it or watched it in a whole but i allready wasted to much time on this i can spare an hour or two but not 6 -

i think its dangoureus for people who get convinced easily i myself am not sure exactly where it contradicts buddhism

about his biography see here : http://butterfliesfree.com/?page_id=102

this line caught my attention :

~ Commodore’s Staff Aide to L. Ron Hubbard in Scientology, and founder and first president of the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE).

But im not judging only on that (if he left Scientology)- just another reason to doubt it all and if your practice of buddhist meditation is weak and you have lots of thoughts allready and have a concentration problem and doubt about buddhism maybe its best not watch it

the double slit expiremint might help you remove doubt by showing you there might be more to life :

Dr Quantum explains the Double slit experiment -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMzh0gTTJI8.
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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:45 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby manas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:25 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby manas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:34 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:42 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The most amazing movie I have ever seen!

Postby manas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:56 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby iforgotmyname » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:17 pm

Guys, let me leave this here, I think you will like it:
http://htwins.net/scale2/

Neither like nor dislike this stuff over the top. For me, this kind of adds weight to certain beliefs I have to make them more true than others. :popcorn:

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Re: Two fascinating movies about Quantum Physics

Postby manas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:07 pm

Hi all,

thanks for your interest and comments. I'm having this topic locked, I just wanted to say that I wish to open a new topic, but this time I won't post anything until I have fully investigated where it is leading towards. I am still very interested in quantum physics, and will happily listen to what physicists have to say, but when the narrator (who is not a scientist) carted out that 'channel' in the third show, and started off on a kind of post new age, quasi theistic deterministic fatalism, I thought...yuk.

The Buddha is for human effort, human potential and human development. But this guy (the narrator, not the physicists) suggests we don't need to strive or make an effort to attain a higher state or knowledge. He says that things are just fine as they are, there is nothing to achieve...just live, enjoy, have sex, and die, and then...what? I don't want to even provide a link to an interesting video, if the narrator is only building a level of trust and interest in the viewers, so that he can later on start converting them to his theistic deterministic nonsense. nuff said!

ok my next 'quantum topic' will be clean and better than this one

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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