Does practice begin with selfishness?

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Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby Individual » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:51 pm

In order to be concerned with dhamma, don't we first take for granted that "my" suffering is more important than anything else in the world? And in Theravada, practice is chiefly aimed at this.
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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby clw_uk » Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:00 pm

How can you help others without removing your own ignorance first


Otherwise its like a blind man trying to help another blind man cross the road


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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby imagemarie » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:18 pm

Individual wrote:In order to be concerned with dhamma, don't we first take for granted that "my" suffering is more important than anything else in the world? And in Theravada, practice is chiefly aimed at this.


Perhaps it begins like this. But with practice I think, comes the realisation of how "my" suffering causes others to suffer, and how their suffering impacts upon me.
In the end...suffering exists (none who suffer)
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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby cooran » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:42 pm

Individual wrote:In order to be concerned with dhamma, don't we first take for granted that "my" suffering is more important than anything else in the world? And in Theravada, practice is chiefly aimed at this.

What was it that caused you to turn to Budddhadhamma, Individual? Was it your own suffering? Why be concerned about the initial motivation of another? What impelled Sidartha Gotama on his search in his last lifetime?

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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby tiltbillings » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:15 pm


What is the use of his knowledge
pertaining to the number of insects in the whole world?
Rather, inquire into his knowledge of
that which is to be practised by us

-- Dharmakirti

This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Níl sa saol seo ach ceo
There is naught in this life but mist
Is ní bheimid beo ach seal beag gearr.
And we will not be alive but a short hard time.
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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby Individual » Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:38 pm

tiltbillings wrote:http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.3.02.irel.html

Very nice!!
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Re: Does practice begin with selfishness?

Postby genkaku » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:22 pm

My two cents:

Selfishness is how we begin and how we practice at first. This includes the selfishness of altruism ... after all, if there is no such thing as self and other (as practice makes clear), helping others is, however kind and much-praised, an act of self. It is just the way we practice.

And practice, as anyone knows, makes perfect. :smile:
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