And in light of what the other Ven B said, do you think the Ven Brahm is really, truly being auctioned?SamKR wrote: It's just that auction of a Dhamma teacher for teaching Dhamma does not sound good, as I posted above. Why it does not sound good to me? It just does not sound good, and there's no reason except my belief that Dhamma teaching should not be dependent on finance no matter where the funding goes.
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>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
Yes, I think Ven. Brahm is really, truly being auctioned (to be available for 7 days) according to Dhammaloka website.tiltbillings wrote:And in of what the other Ven B said, do you think the Ven Brahm is really, truly being auctioned?
Is there any reason I should understand it differently?
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And how is this different from spending time with a donor?SamKR wrote:Yes, I think Ven. Brahm is really, truly being auctioned (to be available for 7 days) according to Dhammaloka website.tiltbillings wrote:And in of what the other Ven B said, do you think the Ven Brahm is really, truly being auctioned?
Is there any reason I should understand it differently?
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
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It's different because he will not even benefict directly from the donor's dana! So I fail to see the imorality here.tiltbillings wrote:And how is this different from spending time with a donor?SamKR wrote:Yes, I think Ven. Brahm is really, truly being auctioned (to be available for 7 days) according to Dhammaloka website.tiltbillings wrote:And in of what the other Ven B said, do you think the Ven Brahm is really, truly being auctioned?
Is there any reason I should understand it differently?
'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' - Jhana Sutta
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I agree, and as I have said, opinions are going to vary, and sadly this conversation goes around in circles.Modus.Ponens wrote:
It's different because he will not even benefict directly from the donor's dana! So I fail to see the imorality here.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
I feel it is very different: one is auction, not dana; the other can be dana.tiltbillings wrote:And how is this different from spending time with a donor?SamKR wrote:Yes, I think Ven. Brahm is really, truly being auctioned (to be available for 7 days) according to Dhammaloka website.tiltbillings wrote:And in of what the other Ven B said, do you think the Ven Brahm is really, truly being auctioned?
Is there any reason I should understand it differently?
I am not saying that it is immoral though, and I do not doubt about his good intentions.
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Of course it is dana; it is just having fun with dana.SamKR wrote: I feel it is very different: one is auction, not dana. The other can be dana.
I am not saying that it is immoral though, and I do not doubt about his good intentions.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
Fun with Dana. Never heard or thought about it before.tiltbillings wrote:having fun with dana.
Is having fun that important? I wonder what would be the fruit of this motive that is missing in Dana sutta.
Sorry if I sound too conservative, but I can't help myself but have a belief that Dhamma teaching should be with no financial strings attached.
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And I'll take Ajahn Brahmali's comments at face value, I don't see any string attached. Also, there should no fun of any sort ever associated with the Dhamma? Ajahn Brahm or any other teacher should never tell funny stories when giving a Dhamma talk? And if that is the case, then we should cut out of the suttas anything that suggests any sort of humor.SamKR wrote:Fun with Dana. Never heard or thought about it before.tiltbillings wrote:having fun with dana.
Is having fun that important? I wonder what would be the fruit of this motive that is missing in Dana sutta?
Sorry, if I sound too conservative, but I can't help myself but have a belief that Dhamma teaching should be with no financial strings attached.
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
I am not saying that fun should not be associated with the Dhamma; I am not sure about the limit of fun in Dhamma (though I also often think there is no fun when the world is burning). I am just saying that it is not so important that auctions should be held for teaching Dhamma and collecting funds.tiltbillings wrote:Also, there should no fun of any sort ever associated with the Dhamma? Ajahn Brahm or any other teacher should never tell funny stories when giving a Dhamma talk? And if that is the case, then we should cut out of the suttas anything that suggests any sort of humor.
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That would be an interesting topic for another thread.SamKR wrote: (though I also often think there is no fun when the world is burning).
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
How about "Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun ?"tiltbillings wrote:That would be an interesting topic for another thread.SamKR wrote: (though I also often think there is no fun when the world is burning).
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That is a good title for a thread. Now all you have to do is figure out in which subforum to post your OP.Aloka wrote:How about "Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun ?"tiltbillings wrote:That would be an interesting topic for another thread.SamKR wrote: (though I also often think there is no fun when the world is burning).
>> Do you see a man wise [enlightened/ariya] in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him.<< -- Proverbs 26:12
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Ajahn Brahm for sale?
tiltbillings wrote: That is a good title for a thread. Now all you have to do is figure out in which subforum to post your OP.
I've put it in Open Dhamma, Tilt.
Perhaps you could move it if you think there's a better place for it. Thanks.
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For me, the great value of this event is it the embodient of Buddhist history & change. Here, there is to be learned about history:James the Giant wrote:This debate reminds me of the Devadatta schism...
(1) An inpiring monk, presumed by many to be an arahnt, that has departed from the teachings of his teacher, also presumed to be an arahant by many. This shows how quickly different schools of Buddhism can arise & become recognised by the world. This is the first lesson to be learned, here.
(2) A group of Buddhists, this internet site, who must rely a few scholars for their trust, such as Brahm, Brahmali, Bodhi & Thanissaro. This shows how few individuals influence the dissemination & intepretative doctrine of Buddhism. This is the second lesson to be learned, here.
(3) A bhikkhuni order that is struggling to support itself. This shows how easily the bhikkhuni orders became extinct due to a lack of support from the laity. The laity want heros. They will support heroic figures. This is the third lesson to be learned, here.
(4) The resistence of Buddha to admit bhikkhuinis, who are mostly unable to live as bhikkhus, i.e., to roam around without a care. Instead, they must live in compounds and the leader monks must behave like husbands to be their breadwinner. This is the fourth lesson to be learned, here.
History can be comprehended by what is occuring in the present.