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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby convivium » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:29 pm

depends which monastery or retreat you go to.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Dan74 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:57 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

:redherring:

This ad-hominem red herring that those who aren't interested in brothelizing the Dhamma (and Vinaya) are somehow dour-faced, is wearing a bit thin now.

:focus:

Metta,
Retro. :)


That was meant to be a joke, retro... Sorry, my bad. I even tried to put a smiley at the end of it, but...

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby SamKR » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:13 am

tiltbillings wrote:So, when teaching, no funny stories, and no lightness in one's personal interactions?

polarbuddha101 wrote:I wouldn't go that far, the Buddha was known to poke fun and use wit himself on occasion.


Funny stories and wit maybe useful if they help to make listeners understand Dhamma and arouse wholesome states of mind.
But I am not sure about how far a Dhamma-teacher should go about using them. I believe a good teacher knows how to use them appropriately.

manas wrote:...

I agree, manas.

Dan74 wrote: ... dour faces ...

No one is advocating dour face but bright and serene face.
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:04 am

polarbuddha101 wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:So, when teaching, no funny stories, and no lightness in one's personal interactions?


I wouldn't go that far, the Buddha was known to poke fun and use wit himself on occasion.

Edit: However, the Buddha used his wit to teach dhamma not just for the sake of being funny.
Sure, and he used poking fun to great effect.
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:14 am

Dan74 wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

:redherring:

This ad-hominem red herring that those who aren't interested in brothelizing the Dhamma (and Vinaya) are somehow dour-faced, is wearing a bit thin now.

:focus:

Metta,
Retro. :)


That was meant to be a joke, retro... Sorry, my bad. I even tried to put a smiley at the end of it, but...

:toilet:
It was a good and plainly obvious joke; humor can be touchy thing, obviously.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:20 am

Bhikkhu Pesala wrote:
Aloka wrote:Sorry but I'm a bit confused, Bhikkhu Pesala. If I'm having fun playing with and talking in silly girlie voices to a friend's dog, is that childish or child - like ?
Pay attention to your own mental states when playing with your friend's dog. You will then know whether you're being childish or just innocent and child-like.
Bhante, so, if it is not an another's judgment that really matters, which we can then probably ignore if the humor is not really directed at anyone, it is one's own judgment that really matters whether or not what we post in the lounge, for example, is being childish or childlike, which is a distinction that Benedictine nuns that taught me in grade school used to harp upon.
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People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:53 am

Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:It was a good and plainly obvious joke; humor can be touchy thing, obviously.

... and here we go again.

:redherring:

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


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One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:59 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

tiltbillings wrote:It was a good and plainly obvious joke; humor can be touchy thing, obviously.

... and here we go again.

:redherring:

Metta,
Retro. :)
I was just making an observation, and you now make my point that that humor can, indeed, be a touchy thing and very individual. That is simply a matter of fact which is neither good nor bad. As for the "red herring":


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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:02 am

SamKR wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:So, when teaching, no funny stories, and no lightness in one's personal interactions?

polarbuddha101 wrote:I wouldn't go that far, the Buddha was known to poke fun and use wit himself on occasion.


Funny stories and wit maybe useful if they help to make listeners understand Dhamma and arouse wholesome states of mind.
But I am not sure about how far a Dhamma-teacher should go about using them. I believe a good teacher knows how to use them appropriately.
There are tons of recordings by tons of different Dhamma teachers out there, among all of that I am sure you can find teachers who do use humor rather well. I am not talking about doing stand-up comic routines, but I am talking about seeing that life can be an occasion for lightness of spirit.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:46 am

Greetings,

:redherring: = "Red herring is an English-language idiom that commonly refers to a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the actual issue. It is also a literary device employed by writers that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction." (Wikipedia)

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:54 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

:redherring: = "Red herring is an English-language idiom that commonly refers to a logical fallacy that misleads or detracts from the actual issue. It is also a literary device employed by writers that leads readers or characters towards a false conclusion, often used in mystery or detective fiction." (Wikipedia)

Metta,
Retro. :)
Well, that is definition, and it certainly looks that you are not using it correctly.
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

dheamhan a fhios agam

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:11 am

Greetings,

Yes I am.

A false premise is being established that those who aren't interested in brothelizing the Dhamma (and Vinaya) are somehow dour-faced puritans, incapable of "fun" (i.e. false conclusion)... and this is distracting from the question of whether it is possible for practising Buddhists to have fun, because it is inferring logical arguments that have unsound and unjustified assumptions.... thus obfuscating genuine attempts to address the question (i.e. detracts from the actual issue).

:geek:

Metta,
Retro. :)
If you have asked me of the origination of unease, then I shall explain it to you in accordance with my understanding:
Whatever various forms of unease there are in the world, They originate founded in encumbering accumulation. (Pārāyanavagga)


Exalted in mind, just open and clearly aware, the recluse trained in the ways of the sages:
One who is such, calmed and ever mindful, He has no sorrows! -- Udana IV, 7


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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:24 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Yes I am.

A false premise is being established that those who aren't interested in brothelizing the Dhamma (and Vinaya) are somehow dour-faced puritans, incapable of "fun" (i.e. false conclusion
Yes, well, Dan's post, in my opinion, was not saying that at all. He was, I would say, just poking fun at the idea of "dour-faced." He was not saying that anyone was such, but then you'll have to ask him what his intent was.
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Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:49 am

tiltbillings wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

Yes I am.

A false premise is being established that those who aren't interested in brothelizing the Dhamma (and Vinaya) are somehow dour-faced puritans, incapable of "fun" (i.e. false conclusion
Yes, well, Dan's post, in my opinion, was not saying that at all. He was, I would say, just poking fun at the idea of "dour-faced." He was not saying that anyone was such, but then you'll have to ask him what his intent was.

And SamKR's post wasn't saying what you thought either. But that didn't stop you taking it as implying lack of humour. And neither was anyone who had this applied to them in the other topic yet you and others thought it appropriate
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:50 am

My intent was just to have fun, possibly of the silly kind (I was never too good as discerning the demarcation line). Even my kids sometimes tell me to stop being silly, so, I guess I am...

As for "brothelizing" (great word!), I think implying that people who disagree with you are "brothelizing the Dhamma", is possible less than charitable. After all we are Dhamma brothers, aren't we, or perhaps Brothelizing Brothers, or Bothersome Brothelizing Brothers? Just call us, BBB, for short!
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:54 am

Aloka wrote:This is a spin-off from another thread about Ajahn Brahm, because it wasn't really relevant to that topic.

Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun ? I'd be interested in reading other peoples comments about this.

Thank you.

Yes. But the Dhamma-vinaya should be respected though
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:00 am

Dan74 wrote:My intent was just to have fun, possibly of the silly kind (I was never too good as discerning the demarcation line). Even my kids sometimes tell me to stop being silly, so, I guess I am...

As for "brothelizing" (great word!), I think implying that people who disagree with you are "brothelizing the Dhamma", is possible less than charitable. After all we are Dhamma brothers, aren't we, or perhaps Brothelizing Brothers, or Bothersome Brothelizing Brothers? Just call us, BBB, for short!

Bad timing maybe? But its recent use does need born to mind.
I believe brothwlizing is also a reference to previous thread
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:03 am

Cittasanto wrote:
Dan74 wrote:My intent was just to have fun, possibly of the silly kind (I was never too good as discerning the demarcation line). Even my kids sometimes tell me to stop being silly, so, I guess I am...

As for "brothelizing" (great word!), I think implying that people who disagree with you are "brothelizing the Dhamma", is possible less than charitable. After all we are Dhamma brothers, aren't we, or perhaps Brothelizing Brothers, or Bothersome Brothelizing Brothers? Just call us, BBB, for short!

Bad timing maybe? But its recent use does need born to mind.
I believe brothwlizing is also a reference to previous thread


Bad timing is my speciality :embarassed:

That said, I do (maybe naively?) hope that we see past the petty differences of views and keep in mind what's truly important (I mean practice and mutual support as a Dhamma community).
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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Prasadachitta » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:11 am

To answer the OP.

Yes.

Its possible for any well adjusted Human who is a practicing Buddhist or otherwise to have fun.

In addition...

Obviously fun has many forms which may be more or less wholesome. I would think that a practicing Buddhist would be engaging in a process of sifting through them by way of the four right efforts. Firstly by avoiding the ones that infringe on whatever precepts they are practicing. Then by common sense discernment. Then by further attention to what kind of mind results. We cant learn without watching ourselves blunder tumble get up blunder and tumble again. Some of this will be fun and some will not. A sense of humor is required in my opinion.

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Re: Is it possible for practising Buddhists to have fun?

Postby Aloka » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:35 am

brothelizing the Dhamma



I'm not familiar with the expression "brothelizing". What does "brothelizing the Dhamma" actually mean ?


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