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Other Methods? [Here's an interesting one for you...]

Postby Beautiful Breath » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:38 am

:stirthepot:

We all have our particular practice that we either feel comfortable with or they work (for us). I have flirtations with Silent Illumination as well as attempting Jhana practice.
My question is this, why 'don't' you practice other methods that you may have experience of....whats your rationale?

For instance, I used to practice a very analytical form of meditation on Emptiness in the Gelug Tradition - but find that it feels like I am giving my mind more to deal with rather than attempting to calm it.

My motivation for asking is honest and its not meant to open a Pandoras Box :anjali:

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:10 pm

I used to practice in the Mahasi tradition, but I just felt like I was more geared towards tranquility than bare insight. I still love the Mahasi walking meditation techniques though.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby daverupa » Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:59 pm

I don't practice the previous methods I'm familiar with because they simply cannot accomplish my current goal, which is dukkha-nirodha.

Ceremonial Magick, taijiquan, qigong, various shamanisms, Hoshinroshiryu's Secret Smile, Zen - it was all of a similar flavor, where satipatthana is altogether different, altogether useful, altogether productive of results. Night and day, really.

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:16 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby daverupa » Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:07 pm

With respect to results, magick was no different than role-playing, in my case. (My D&D experience provided an interesting comparison; when one casts spells in character, and feels the same way when praying or doing other mystical stuff, it doesn't take much to become disillusioned.)

Same with the rest, really. There's a way for conceiving about self and cosmos and their mutual relationship to proceed indefinitely, which is what most of that involves, and it can be quite enticing... but it's such a waste of time...

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:20 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:46 am

:goodpost: over the years i've found myself agreeing with what ajahn amaro told me (with regard to goenka technique), namely, that "meditation is meditation". then the tantric stuff is a whole different thing. i don't mess with kundalini or tantra related practices anymore (if you are thinking about it you need a legitimate guru).
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby Coyote » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:49 am

One reason not to practice certain techniques is that they are based on wrong view, and therefore not conducive to the goal.
I guess I don't really have a taste for other traditions within Buddhism as a whole. There's plenty within Theravada to get your teeth stuck into.
Taking on a practice without the accompanying framework I find can be quite jarring and doesn't seem to me to be the best of ideas. Getting inspiration is another matter but other traditions sometimes have a radically different understanding of the goal, so it doesn't really make sense to take too much from them.

Sometimes I'll try something new in meditation if I have been inspired by a particular teaching here or there, but I keep the main practice the same until I have really given it a good go. It's the only approach that makes sense to me.

I have seen some of your other threads and my advice is, little though it may be worth - don't let your meditation experiences guide your choice of meditation technique. If you practice a meditation and it doesn't go as planned and then you look to other traditions to explain the experience, seems the wrong approach to me. Work within one framework and it will be easier in the long run, I would think. Choose one, and interpret experiences accordingly. If you really think that you are more suited to one or the other then change, but I don't think it is a good idea to have two systems running at the same time.
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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:06 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby m0rl0ck » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:24 am

I started with zazen, did the koan mu for a while, back to zazen for a while, chan huatou and idk what im really doing now. Mind watching mind would be as good a description as any i guess.
I have tried other techniques and find i end up in the same place with all of them. If i try to do breath meditation for instance, i start noticing who is noticing the breath and all of a sudden im doing my regular practice again.
It works ok for me, gives me more day to day serenity than i would have otherwise, and thats enough for me since i dont really beleive in that enlightenment/nirvana stuff anymore anyway, at least not in the way that most people seem to, like some magic pill or something.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you...

Postby daverupa » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:11 pm

It would be impossible for me, now, to draw down the moon or do a Tarot spread or create a circle or any of that silliness because none of it is based on right view and all of it aggrandizes the self in one way or another, as I see it all now in retrospect.

Even when events occurred which seemed momentous, it's all with contact as condition...

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Re: Here's an interesting one for you... other paths

Postby mikenz66 » Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:14 pm

Discussion of Magick split off to here:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=16591&p=236376#p236376

:anjali:
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