YOU CANNOT POST. OUR WEB HOSTING COMPANY DECIDED TO MOVE THE SERVER TO ANOTHER LOCATION. IN THE MEANTIME, YOU CAN VIEW THIS VERSION WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW POSTING AND WILL NOT SAVE ANYTHING YOU DO ONCE THE OTHER SERVER GOES ONLINE.

A clear mind more important than listening to music - Dhamma Wheel

A clear mind more important than listening to music

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:28 pm

Hello all,

it has become apparent to me, in the course of trying to be 'mindful in everyday life', i.e. when doing even mundane tasks such as cooking, washing dishes etc, and even sometimes during sitting meditation, that the music often playing in the background of my awareness, like a soundtrack in my head, has got to go. I have tried so many other ways to cleanse it from my mind, but as an ex-musician who spent years training and developing his 'inner ear' to hear melody and harmony in his head, it has now become a burden to the point where, I think I just need to stop listening to music. I find that having 'earworms' hinders being really present with the body in the here-and-now, it kind of sucks or drags awareness in the direction of obsessive thoughts, and away from the body and it's current task.

I feel I am at an interesting time, a juncture where having a clear mind is becoming more important than allowing myself to listen to music. It will involve some sacrifice, but it's really not such a big deal; I'm a lay person and music is not forbidden in any way, so it's purely voluntary, and I can always 'go back' again. But it's like, music running in my head a lot of the time has become a burden, a real burden! So if by giving up the 'pleasure' of listening to it, I can get free from the burden (of 'earworms') then I voluntarily choose giving it up. In any case, I am giving this a 'trial run' and seeing if it works.

NB: there are some kinds of music, that are actually very soothing or calming, and don't seem to get 'stuck in my head' like faster, catchier music does. I might keep listening to such relaxing music, while abandoning the music that is the cause of the 'earworms' (virtually all of popular music, and much of Classical as well).

Metta :anjali:
Last edited by manas on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
Goofaholix
Posts: 2928
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:49 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby Goofaholix » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:38 pm

Just be aware of what the mind is doing, it's just a thought process. It's only annoying because you think it shouldn't be happening.

Mindfulness needs to be applied equally to mental as well as bodily processes.

If you try to fight it you'll only make it worse, use it as an opportunity to develop mindfulness and equanimity.

User avatar
polarbear101
Posts: 964
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:39 am
Location: California

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby polarbear101 » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:43 pm

Sounds like it should be an interesting experiment. Hopefully it will be relatively easy for you to do. When I lost all my music a couple of years ago, I never bothered to start buying it again and since then I really only listen to music when I'm with friends who are listening to it or occasionally I turn on the radio if I'm driving, but I've come to enjoy just being able to not hear music and relax with my mind and whatever natual sounds happen to be occurring wherever I'm at. Sometimes I think it's strange since I'm 22 years old and don't really care for music (although I enjoy good music if I so happen to be around it) but I think it helps me to keep my mind less noisy throughout the day than it otherwise would be. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck in clearing your mind and hope you can use that clarity to awaken in this very lifetime.

:anjali:
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:46 pm

Last edited by manas on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:11 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
LonesomeYogurt
Posts: 900
Joined: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:24 pm
Location: America

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:52 pm

Rejoice in renunciation! The joy of a clear mind is far greater than the joy of sensual contact at any sense door.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:54 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:58 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
convivium
Posts: 577
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:31 pm

isn't there music that clears your mind though?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

perkele
Posts: 653
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:37 pm

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby perkele » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:21 pm


User avatar
Goofaholix
Posts: 2928
Joined: Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:49 am
Location: New Zealand

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby Goofaholix » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:24 pm


User avatar
convivium
Posts: 577
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:30 pm

it's nice to have silence, but noise is something in the head and nothing more. great music can pacify the noise in one's head, as it were (in my experience)
(it's zen mind beginners mind, not hitler's mind)
they don't seem talk much about beginner's mind at tassajara these days.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

User avatar
daverupa
Posts: 5980
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby daverupa » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:06 am

Fundamentally, music is kamaguna, is it not?

User avatar
convivium
Posts: 577
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:13 am

what do you mean by fundamentally? i don't think there is anything fundamental, positively speaking, in buddhist metaphysics.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

User avatar
daverupa
Posts: 5980
Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:58 pm

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby daverupa » Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:33 am

Well, okay then: music is kamaguna, is it not?

User avatar
convivium
Posts: 577
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:09 am

what isn't kamaguna? why couldn't music be a catalyst for that? i don't think it's limited to inducing pleasant, unpleasant, or neutral sensations.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:47 am

Could someone kindly define 'kamaguna' please? 'Kaama' refers to sensuality, but 'guna' means what exactly (in this context)?

:anjali:
Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

User avatar
polarbear101
Posts: 964
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:39 am
Location: California

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby polarbear101 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:04 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

User avatar
tiltbillings
Posts: 23012
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:25 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Mar 21, 2013 4:44 am


User avatar
convivium
Posts: 577
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:01 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

User avatar
manas
Posts: 2251
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 3:04 am
Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: A clear mind more important than listening to music

Postby manas » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:39 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


Return to “Sīla”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests

Google Saffron, Theravada Search Engine