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How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotions?

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How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotions?

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:53 pm

Greetings,

Is it normal that people do not take personal accountability for their own feelings and emotions?

I get the sense a lot of people think that these are just things that "happen" to them.

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:03 am

what are some of the ways that you take personal accountability, or instances in which you would take accountability, for your experience of emotions and feelings? can you think of cases wherein you wouldn't or reasons why you shouldn't?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:14 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:16 am

do you want to restrict the scope of your question to taking responsibility for suffering or not suffering? to see that "mind precedes mental states" could be taken to mean you've seen dependent origination directly, and are at least a stream enterer (most people haven't seen this). what do you take this phrase to mean?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby SDC » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:21 am

I do not think it is a matter of people not taking accountability as much as it is that people don't think they have the ability to adjust themselves, and as a result they just weather the storm when it comes.

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:28 am

Its so nice to be spiritually advanced, isnt it?
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Postby retrofuturist » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:36 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:47 am

“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:03 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby Nyorai » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:51 am

never seem to me there is any emotion or feeling in them. life is so much lovely :alien:
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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:57 am

yeah we're better than the masses. :woohoo:
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby alan... » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:02 am

oh totally. not only that, most people blame their actions on their emotions! "sorry i yelled and threw a rock at your car, i was angry." ooookay... so you're like the hulk and have no control over yourself when angry or what?

or just blind emotion "i'm so angry about blah." and there's no end to it in sight. logically one may be angry and seek a solution, but people who do not see emotions for what they are think just being angry is a stand alone state. i try to see the anger as the evolutionary tool it is: an emotion put forth to urge me to find a solution to a problem. since i'm buddhist it's usually "let it go and move on." and sometimes i actually have to take action like deciding not to spend time at a certain store where i always wait in absurdly long lines and is over priced anyway or something like that.

one interesting thing is emotion in and out of the work place. most people will snap and yell and carry on outside of work, but give them the exact same problem at work and they're perfectly composed and deal with the problem in utter calmness. so it's clear that the expression of anger/sadness/whatever outside of work is a choice, not a necessity.

also a lot of people do things because of an emotion while blinding themselves to the possible results. like a woman or man is so angry at her cheating boyfriend that s/he breaks his car windows. in the moment he feels it's the right thing to do to fulfill the angry urge. he becomes the anger. "i'm so angry i can't even think straight" so he just acts. then later if he gets in trouble he thinks "why the heck didn't i stop and think about that?" this kind of activity comes from a habitual thinking that is the exact opposite of mindfulness training. ironically people like this frequently live very much in the moment which is akin to mindfulness, just lacking the sampajanna!!!

not to say i'm perfect in the field of emotions but i see them VERY differently than others i know who care nothing for the dhamma or even simply philosophy or the study of the psyche.
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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:09 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:19 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: How do the masses understanding their feelings & emotion

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:24 am

first save yourself. without the subject and object dichotomy as a basic feature of consciousness, one's sense of being separate from others becomes quite different...
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php


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