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Training to get rid of the you?

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Training to get rid of the you?

Postby Spiny Norman » Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:17 am

The quote below from the Bahiya Sutta below has become quite fashionable, but is it describing a specific practice? How exactly does one train to get rid of the you?

"Then, Bāhiya, you should train yourself thus: In reference to the seen, there will be only the seen. In reference to the heard, only the heard. In reference to the sensed, only the sensed. In reference to the cognized, only the cognized. That is how you should train yourself. When for you there will be only the seen in reference to the seen, only the heard in reference to the heard, only the sensed in reference to the sensed, only the cognized in reference to the cognized, then, Bāhiya, there is no you in connection with that. When there is no you in connection with that, there is no you there. When there is no you there, you are neither here nor yonder nor between the two. This, just this, is the end of stress."
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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:15 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:17 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:20 am

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby SarathW » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:46 am

Ven Pesala
I have two questions for you.

a) is Malukayaputta Sutta from Sutta Piaka
b) In the link you forwarded I found topics such as The stream of Eye Consiousness etc. Is that from Abhidamma Pitaka?


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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:50 am

Thanks all, it looks like I have some reading to do! :)
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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:04 pm

I find it fruitful to observe how, exactly, there is not merely what is sensed, in the sensed, as an approach towards seeing the alternative.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby SDC » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:29 pm

Just look at everything that happens as an interpretation. No matter what it is just say, "This is an interpretation." Thoughts, observations....everything.

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Re: Training to get rid of the you?

Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:38 pm

I'm still reflecting on this, but my take so far is that the OP quote is pointing to a state of non-proliferation and non-identification - but that this is a result of practice rather than a description of practice.

What prompted my question is some recent experience of working with the 6-fold base, paying close attention both on and off the cushion - somewhat similar to the bare attention approach mentioned above by Bikkhu Pesala.
One sutta I read recently talks about becoming "skilled" with the 6-fold base, ie seeing it's operation clearly and how the 3 characteristics apply - and of course this approach is described more generally for the 5 aggregates, 6 elements, etc.
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