S.N Goenka

An open and inclusive investigation into Buddhism and spiritual cultivation

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby makarasilapin » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:34 am

knighter wrote:Hello there

you seem really quite angry makarasilapin
I used to get like that before i completed a
10 day s.n. goenka vipassana course.
Be happy
knighter


haha, i'm not angry at all knighter. i know why you might be offended [as Goenka is your teacher?], but it is not my intention to offend you. i think all of my responses here have been reasonable.
makarasilapin
 
Posts: 62
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:46 pm

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby knighter » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:39 am

Hello there

All good makarasilapin i'm not offended
i was just havin a little joke.
Be happy
knighter
knighter
 
Posts: 33
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:44 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby makarasilapin » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:41 am

knighter wrote:i was just havin a little joke.


that's something my brother would say! i'm glad i didn't offend you.

be well! :hug:
makarasilapin
 
Posts: 62
Joined: Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:46 pm

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:43 am

knighter wrote:Hello there

Prasadachitta it was a joke
just keeping things light hearted.
Be happy
knighter


Ahh.

Humor is a difficult thing to convey in text.

I think thats why we have these

:rolleye: :jumping: :rofl:
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332
User avatar
Prasadachitta
 
Posts: 974
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:52 am
Location: San Francisco (The Mission) Ca USA

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Prasadachitta » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:55 am

retrofuturist wrote:I think it's also quite likely that some of the aspects which are out of scope of the technique are some of those which are less compatible with a secular presentation of vipassana. Recollecting the qualities of the Buddha or the Sangha for example, is going to restrict the more universal appeal of a technique which is not formally aligned to any religious denomination.



This seems odd to me. If its true that Non Buddhists(people who do not go for refuge to the three Jewels) are teaching, I think that may be fair grounds for not regarding them as Buddhist teachers much less "Theravada" teachers.
"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332
User avatar
Prasadachitta
 
Posts: 974
Joined: Sat Jan 10, 2009 6:52 am
Location: San Francisco (The Mission) Ca USA

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:00 am

Prasadachitta wrote:
retrofuturist wrote:This seems odd to me. If its true that Non Buddhists(people who do not go for refuge to the three Jewels) are teaching, I think that may be fair grounds for not regarding them as Buddhist teachers much less "Theravada" teachers.


There is more misinformation in this thread then useful information. All students accept refuge to the three Jewels at that start of the retreat. Assistant teachers more so, because they have been dedicated to and immersed in that technique for a long time. I have a great deal of respect for this tradition, I believe my first 10-day retreat was life-altering and inspired incredible faith in the Dhamma. My main criticism of this tradition [on a very short list], is that Mr. Goenka calls it "secular". It seems U Ba Khin was very clearly teaching a Buddhist tradition, and other lineage heirs who studied under U Ba Khin are also clearly teaching Buddhism. I think the "secular" label is so important to Mr. Goenka because it was his mission to bring this practice back to India.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710
User avatar
Monkey Mind
 
Posts: 538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:11 am

There is more misinformation in this thread then useful information.
not from me :roll:
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:35 am

convivium wrote:
There is more misinformation in this thread then useful information.
not from me :roll:

You are somewhere between here: :soap: and here: :stirthepot: , and it reads a bit like :alien:
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710
User avatar
Monkey Mind
 
Posts: 538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:35 am

:rofl:
i'm a philosophy major at uc berkeley.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:40 am

convivium wrote::rofl:
i'm a philosophy major at uc berkeley.

:jumping: Now it all makes sense! Good luck with that, philosophy was one of two classes I flunked in my college career, seems I just don't have an aptitude for it.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710
User avatar
Monkey Mind
 
Posts: 538
Joined: Sat Dec 05, 2009 8:56 pm
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:21 am

goenka is perfect for certain people. too bad he's dead and all you get are his videos + ATs (some are better than others). the dharma isn't one size (technique) fits all. it obviously wasn't intended that way if you look at the pali canon. so yeah, go. learn it. but don't believe that it contains all the teachings of the buddha worth learning.
cute puppy ^^
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Reductor » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:26 am

convivium wrote:goenka is perfect for certain people. too bad he's dead and all you get are his videos + ATs (some are better than others). the dharma isn't one size (technique) fits all. it obviously wasn't intended that way if you look at the pali canon. so yeah, go. learn it. but don't believe that it contains all the teachings of the buddha worth learning.
cute puppy ^^


Goenka isn't dead.
Michael

The thoughts I've expressed in the above post are carefully considered and offered in good faith.

And friendliness towards the world is happiness for him who is forbearing with living beings. -- Ud. 2:1
To his own ruin the fool gains knowledge, for it cleaves his head and destroys his innate goodness. -- Dhp 72

User avatar
Reductor
 
Posts: 1291
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:52 am
Location: Alberta, Canada

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:29 am

lol
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby cooran » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:44 am

My understanding is that Mr. Goenka is alive and well, and is a highly respected teacher in the Burmese tradition.

His retreats have been attended by large numbers of people in many countries throughout the world over time.

Though he is not my teacher - I have attended four ten day Goenka retreats over the years and found them to be reinvigorating when my practise was becoming lazy.

Much of this thread is unwholesome and unskilfull - please keep discussions polite and respectful, and based on searchable facts.

with metta
Chris
---The trouble is that you think you have time---
---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
---It's not what happens to you in life that is important ~ it's what you do with it ---
User avatar
cooran
 
Posts: 7761
Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 pm
Location: Queensland, Australia

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Ben » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:53 am

greggorious wrote:I didn't mean for this thread to become so argumentative. I was thinking of going on one of his 10 day retreats, and also want to go on a retreat at Amaravati in London. I like the fact that Theravada retreats are often free of charge, that seems almost Bodhisattva territory :smile:


Then go for it. I heartily recommend a ten-day course under the guidance of SN Goenka. I'm beginning to lose count of the number of courses I have done. Just keep in mind that it is structured and you will be asked to practice as per the instructions - while you are there. But if you choose to go to Amaravati instead - well and good. Whatever you choose, I wish you all the very best.
kind regards,

Ben
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

Sutta Nipata 3.725


Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global ReliefUNHCR
Buddhist Life Stories of Australia

e: ben.dhammawheel@gmail.com
User avatar
Ben
Site Admin
 
Posts: 16309
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: Land of the sleeping gods

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Ben » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:57 am

convivium wrote:goenka is perfect for certain people. too bad he's dead


That is something else you got wrong.
He is alive and well.
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

Sutta Nipata 3.725


Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global ReliefUNHCR
Buddhist Life Stories of Australia

e: ben.dhammawheel@gmail.com
User avatar
Ben
Site Admin
 
Posts: 16309
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: Land of the sleeping gods

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:00 am

Much of this thread is unwholesome and unskilfull - please keep discussions polite and respectful, and based on searchable facts.
the movement isn't exactly transparent. you sort of have to be a part of it to find out about it. nothing i said was unwholesome or unskillful. not everything is published or available to the 'uninitiated'. the only unwholesome thing about my posts here is being on the internet too much.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:04 am

That is something else you got wrong.
no, that was the only thing. i got that wrong because i heard he was very sick years ago, and heard he died somewhere, and stopped paying attention.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby Ben » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:17 am

convivium wrote:
That is something else you got wrong.
no, that was the only thing. i got that wrong because i heard he was very sick years ago, and heard he died somewhere, and stopped paying attention.

No, actually you got many things wrong. And your erroneous claim that he is dead is indicative of your use of misinformation to fit your view.
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.

Taṃ nadīhi vijānātha:
sobbhesu padaresu ca,
saṇantā yanti kusobbhā,
tuṇhīyanti mahodadhī.

Sutta Nipata 3.725


Compassionate Hands Foundation (Buddhist aid in Myanmar) • Buddhist Global ReliefUNHCR
Buddhist Life Stories of Australia

e: ben.dhammawheel@gmail.com
User avatar
Ben
Site Admin
 
Posts: 16309
Joined: Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:49 am
Location: Land of the sleeping gods

Re: S.N Goenka

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:19 am

just because you are told to "just observe sensations" doesn't mean you should stop thinking critically and objectively. if there is something i said that was wrong, then point it out. i only argue to reveal or learn new things.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
User avatar
convivium
 
Posts: 574
Joined: Wed May 05, 2010 7:13 am

PreviousNext

Return to Open Dhamma

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 8 guests