This quote on consciousness

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Re: This quote on consciousness

Postby cooran » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:57 pm

LonesomeYogurt wrote:Those interested in the Hard Problem of Consciousness and other issues this quote and discussion raise may be interested in Thomas Nagel's new book, Mind and Cosmos. I am reading it currently and it is very interesting.


thanks LY .... Interesting! Long discussion on his work here.
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Re: This quote on consciousness

Postby convivium » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:08 pm

i seem to be on here a lot, so if you have questions about campbell or searle's view i should be able to answer them.
i'm writing grad papers on CS and disjunctivism for both of them. so far only biological naturalism makes sense to me.
however, i realize there are issues with buddhism in consciousness being localized in whatever way. i've discussed this issue in other places here.
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php
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Re: This quote on consciousness

Postby m0rl0ck » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:22 am

convivium wrote:which was?



That its non local. Not just in the sense of some aroma or vapor pervading the objects in the newtonian vision of the universe as a sort of big room, but actually as a fundamental property of the universe. If you look in the brain you will find it, if you in the big toe, you will find it, the looking itself is the finding of it. Its my personal belief, based on years on inquiry and observation of consciousness, that any sincere directed inquiry will start yielding answers about the nature of consciousness. Physics for instance.
"Even if you've read the whole Canon and can remember lots of teachings; even if you can explain them in poignant ways, with lots of people to respect you; even if you build a lot of monastery buildings, or can explain inconstancy, stress, and not-self in the most detailed fashion ... The only thing that serves your own true purpose is release from suffering.

"And you'll be able to gain release from suffering only when you know the one mind."

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Re: This quote on consciousness

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:28 am

i wish i could somehow agree that CS is a basic, non-causally reducible property of the universe.
it just doesn't make sense based on our current state of scientific development (even in light of certain quantum experiments).
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