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Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

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Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby convivium » Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:32 pm

Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:03 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:05 pm

Why do you find this sad Alex?
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:26 pm

I find it sad that we cannot fully trust the alleged authorship of at least some suttas, be it in Pali Canon, or elsewhere. I was surprised at something that two Theravadin bhikkhus have said.

I guess suttas are rough guide for personal development where one has to use one's discernment to fill in precise details on what to do and how to explore rather than total and infallible Authority.
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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby convivium » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:38 pm

there is an article from sati buddhist studies i liked about this issue. it uses various methodologies to trace the authenticity of the suttas.
it concludes that the buddha taught sila, samma samadhi and panna (and the rest is commentary anyway).
Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:45 pm

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:48 pm

I have read quite a bit about analysis of earlier vs later suttas. Unfortunately we cannot know totally for sure what Buddha as historic person has actually said. We don't even know what dialects and when He spoke them.

Often there are unproven assumptions such as:
Buddha did or didn't teach complex philosophy, so very abstract suttas are earlier/later.

Linguistic analysis where earlier Pali words and grammatical forms imply that they are earlier, vs texts with later pali grammar.
The problem is that grammatical analysis can work when the sutta is sufficiently big and varied. If sutta is short and uses limited set of words, then we cannot judge. Also we do not know if the Buddha talked in later form of pali or earlier. He could also have used more archaic forms of pali. Later texts could also use more archaic forms of pali. Large texts could have material from different time periods.

We also have no voice recording of Buddha as historical person. We just have written texts that were first written centuries after the Buddha.

So I guess we need to get the message (let go of craving!) and develop wisdom as much as possible.
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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 8:50 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:31 pm

A healthy amount of skepticism can be good to be inquisitive and investigating, but too much and it will impede any shot at progress. It would be vicikicchā, the 2nd hindrance to enlightenment and also a hindrance to meditation.

Doubting if the Buddha even existed? Why even be a monk or even a Buddhist?

There are Ashoka's edicts and the archeological finds of sites mentioned in the Pali Canon. The first four Nikayas are most certainly Buddhavacana; there is repetition, similar teachings and prose.
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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:38 pm

The important thing to remember in this imo is that, however one views the authenticity of whatever document in question, its the authenticity of the insight and day to day practice that are important.
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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:49 pm

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:12 pm

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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Buckwheat » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:47 am

Reminds me of Ajahn Chah's translation for anicca: uncertain
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Re: Buddhist text's true author identified as Thai woman

Postby Alex123 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:06 pm

Thank you all for your replies.
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