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Re: global warming

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Re: global warming

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Re: global warming

Postby polarbear101 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:31 pm

I haven't really drawn a line in the sand myself but my geology professor firmly believes that all the worry about CO2 is madness. In class today he started talking about the issue and I jotted down a couple of things he said. These are all rough paraphrases:

Water vapor is actually our most prevalent greenhouse gas and accounts for about 98% of the atmosphere's heat holding capacity.

The reason that CO2 has been targeted by politicians is because water vapor ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Of the remaining 2%, CO2 represents about half, i.e. CO2 is only responsible for 1% at most of our atmosphere's heat retention capabilities.

Mankind has been around for the lowest CO2 levels in geologic history.

360-260 million years during the paleozoic era CO2 represented about 6% of the earth's atmosphere and this period was a time of glaciation, not melting or warming.

Today, CO2 represents roughly .039% of earth's atmosphere or 390 parts per million.

Burning of fossil fuels has not yet doubled atmospheric CO2 since the start of the industrial evolution.

Given that we aren't even that CO2 isn't even that close to being 1% of the atmosphere and given that it was 6% CO2 during a time of glaciation it seems silly to think that the CO2 that humans are putting back into the atmosphere is going to put us on a runaway course of global warming that's going to destroy civilization and the environment.

Just to reiterate, I myself don't take a position on this matter. I'm all down for solar power regardless but I'm not a scientist, I haven't looked at or understood the totality of the geologic or climate records. So I really don't know. Just wondering what the global warming affirmers have to say about these sorts of things.
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Re: global warming

Postby polarbear101 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:59 pm

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: global warming

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Re: global warming

Postby Buckwheat » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:30 am

Hi Polarbudda101,
Your post deserves a thoughtful resonse, which I don't have time for right now.

The article you cite is written by the North Dakota Geological Survey, funded by tax dollars paid by the fossil fuel industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_oil_boom

In general, geologists are not trained to study climate in detail, although there is definitely overlap. Also, many geologists are funded by the fossil fuel industry.
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Re: global warming

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:49 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: global warming

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: global warming

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:56 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: global warming

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: global warming

Postby Buckwheat » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:07 am

Manas,
I hope this is accurate, but it certainly requires further inquiry before adopting it as fact. Up to this point, I never heard an actual prediction of future solar output, so I assumed the probability of solar output offsetting AGW to be equal to the probability of solar output compounding AGW. It would be nice to see more certainty of it offsetting AGW. The magnitude of the effect would still have to be studied, as current predictions for AGW are a change in temperatures several times larger than the variation over the last several hundred years (including the midievel warm period and the little ice age).
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