What motivates Arahant?

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby daverupa » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:47 pm

Motivation isn't the same as clinging or craving.

There can be sankhara, in other words, which are wholly unrelated to raga, dosa, moha, and these sankhara can be found amongst the five aggregates of an arahant, even though the aggregates are no longer subject to clinging. Compassion is a motive of this sort, for example.

Arahants still experience five aggregates, not just four...

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:34 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Coyote » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:19 pm

Just because he/she does not identify with the aggregates does not mean he/she understands no distinction between one being and another. He/she knows "this is hunger" and eats because it is appropriate/because she will die.
"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:21 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:51 pm

Do you need to identify with a fellow hungry man's agregates in order to feed him?
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:58 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Gena1480 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:18 pm

The Arahant abandon greed,delusion,anger
so the actions come from non-greed,non-delusion,non-anger.
he is untraceable
yet if you follow the path he took.
you will arrive at same destination.

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:35 pm

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

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Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:49 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:26 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:29 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Ben » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:08 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Buckwheat » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:00 am

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby SDC » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:10 am

Alex, in your scenario it is as if the arahant is in less in harmony with reality than everyone else. I know that you know this is not the case, but your idea of the arahant is an experience of confusion with circumstances.The puthujjana engages in delusional, inconsistent harmony with reality, but the arahant is in complete harmony. Why would a decision be made to deliberately cause disharmony?

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby Alex123 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:50 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: What motivates Arahant?

Postby kirk5a » Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:16 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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