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A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby Ben » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:11 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby Maitri » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:27 am

"Upon a heap of rubbish in the road-side ditch blooms a lotus, fragrant and pleasing.
Even so, on the rubbish heap of blinded mortals the disciple of the Supremely Enlightened One shines resplendent in wisdom." Dhammapada: Pupphavagga


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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby Alex123 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:45 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby daverupa » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:50 am

Perhaps the Devadatta story includes non-historical narrative elements, inappropriate for doctrinal derivations about arahants.

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby Mr Man » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:16 pm

in my opinion hardcore and dhamma do not mix.

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby kirk5a » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:59 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby kirk5a » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:44 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby lojong1 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:21 pm

Then there is knowledge of cause and effect.

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Re: A Critique of the Hardcore Dharma Movement.

Postby polarbear101 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:22 pm

Maybe it's not so much that the buddha personally dislikes bad actions but that he understands where they lead and so makes it very clear to others that certain actions are extremely detrimental to the person doing them out of compassion to that person and out of compassion to those who might follow suit in doing bad actions if the buddha doesn't put his foot down and let people know that they are terribly non-conducive to living the holy life and lead to one's long term harm and suffering. Sometimes people only understand a stern reaction and so the buddha gives one even though in his mind he is unperturbed, calm, neither liking nor disliking the way it is, at peace, cooled. Or perhaps you're just wrong Alex.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."


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