Modus.Ponens wrote:Now comes the crucial part, which you already mentioned. There are pleasant sensations arising from mind contact for the arahat, such as rapture. Are there unpleasant sensations resulting from mind contact? The standard answer is no. But could it be that there are unpleasant sensations born of mind contact, but the arahat is unperturbed by these unpleasant sensations as well? I'm not a materialist, but from a biological point of view, if an arahat remembers of his mother's death and the sorrow he felt at the time (assuming that he wasn't an arya by then), it makes sense that he will remember the unpleasant sensations that he felt at the time and thus, from, mind contact, a part of the same unpleasant sensations arise in him. Is this incorrect?
An interesting continuation: What happens if an Arahant remembers lustful events, etc. Can Arahant still feel lust, but it merely does NOT obsess his mind and he doesn't identify with it as "mine"?
If lust depends on certain hormones such as testosterone, etc, do Arhats still have these hormones?
Does Arahant have clinging aggregates?
Then which things should an arahant attend to in an appropriate way?"
"An arahant should attend in an appropriate way to these five clinging-aggregates as inconstant, stressful, a disease, a cancer, an arrow, painful, an affliction, alien, a dissolution, an emptiness, not-self. SN22.122
That message is identical with instruction from virtuous monk to non-returner.
Venerable Sariputta, an Arahant wrote:Whichever of these seven factors of enlightenment I want to dwell in during the morning, I dwell in that factor of enlightenment during the morning. Whichever I want to dwell in during the middle of the day, I dwell in that factor of enlightenment during the middle of the day. Whichever I want to dwell in during the evening, I dwell in that factor of enlightenment during the evening. SN46.4
If Arahant can dwell in mindfulness as factor of enlightment, does it mean that whenever He doesn't dwell in it - he has no mindfulness?
"And how is one a noble one with developed faculties
? There is the case where, when seeing a form with the eye, there arises in a monk what is agreeable (manāpaṃ
), what is disagreeable (amanāpaṃ
), what is agreeable & disagreeable (manāpāmanāpaṃ
). If he wants, he remains percipient of loathsomeness in the presence of what is not loathsome. If he wants, he remains percipient of unloathsomeness in the presence of what is loathsome (paṭikkula
). If he wants, he remains percipient of loathsomeness in the presence of what is not loathsome & what is. If he wants, he remains percipient of unloathsomeness in the presence of what is loathsome & what is not. If he wants — in the presence of what is loathsome & what is not — cutting himself off from both, he remains equanimous, alert, & mindful. MN152
So Arhat can experience: manāpa
= pleasing; charming.amanāpa
Buddha has also talked to Mara. There are 5 interpretations of Mara and I believe only two fit the case:
a) Māra as actual being, (with horns and pig tail?
) and lifespan of 9.216 billion years
b)Kilesa-Māra. Mara as personification of defilements. But how could "defilements" speak to Buddha and attempt to tempt Him?