Attending to pleasure in pain/tension: good idea?

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Attending to pleasure in pain/tension: good idea?

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Re: Attending to pleasure in pain/tension: good idea?

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Postby SarathW » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:44 pm

Hi Fivebells
I do not discriminate between pain and pleasure. When it is pleasurable feeling I know it is pleasurable. When it is pain I know it is pain.
I just observe the phenomena. :)
Please read attached link for one of my personal experience.

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Postby fivebells » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:00 am

Excellent practice, SarathW. I am finding pleasure to be a useful tool in maintaining concentration. Hopefully one day my concentration will be as stable as yours.

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Postby SarathW » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:28 am

Sorry I forgot to include the term Equanimity. :)
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Re: Attending to pleasure in pain/tension: good idea?

Postby Samma » Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:02 pm

As Thanissaro wrote, "There’s a lot to explore in this area, and it’s something that each person has to learn for him or herself, as we each have idiosyncratic ways of relating to the breath currents and the pains in the body."

Sounds like you are spreading pleasant feelings like Thanssiaro says, but on a micro scale, see step 4 in Each and Every Breath. Note steps 5-6 are about a broad fully body awareness.

The only thing that comes to mind that might be related to something harmful is seeing something painful/stressful as pleasant. That would be masochism right, but it does not seem you are doing that.
"Monks, there are these four perversions of perception, perversions of mind, previsions of view. Which four? 'Constant' with regard to the inconstant is a perversion of perception, a perversion of mind, a perversion of view. 'Pleasant' with regard to the stressful...'Self' with regard to not-self....'Attractive' with regard to the unattractive is a perversion of perception, a perversion of mind, a perversion of view." An 4.49

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Postby Spiny Norman » Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:54 am

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Postby Zenainder » Thu Jul 11, 2013 3:54 pm

Fivebells,

Have you considered that you are learning a alternate relationship with pain instead of your previous relationship? I think any time we learn there is an alternate perception to existence it can often times be exciting, but I'd only advise you to also observe the happiness and rapture rising as it will also cease (it may be connected to this new association). Definitely continue developing what you have!

P.S. - Side note, but useful for this discussion:
How does one skillfully decipher happiness, rapture, and serenity that the Buddha declared not to fear (if I am recalling the sutas correctly)?

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