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Postby manas » Wed Apr 10, 2013 11:17 pm

James the Giant wrote:I've eaten plenty of roadkill.
In the 3 or 4 years I lived at a sort-of commune we ate a lot of roadkill possum, rabbit, and even once a cat. And before the animal-lovers get all shocked about eating someone's pet cat, NO, it was not a pet. It was a wild cat which lived on the farm.
The skins of the animals were cured and used to make an enormous fur bedspread.

Possum. Cute AND delicious.
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Hi James,

I agree that there's nothing morally wrong with eating an animal that one did not kill oneself, or order to be killed. But I still could not eat a possum after looking into those beautiful eyes!

Same goes for cows, sheep, pigs and chickens...if you actually look in to their eyes (while they are alive of course) you see that they are not that much different from ourselves. They want safety, food, shelter, to mate, and they care about their young.

But if you can stomach it, then yes 'waste not want not' ... :shrug:

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby yawares » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:18 am

Virgo wrote:
polarbuddha101 wrote:No point in letting the poor animal's body go to waste.

Agree.

yawares wrote:
Now I know how men think different from women...I can bet with you that no women will eat that kind of meat (except those Amazon women :tongue: )

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I think a lot of women really don't have a problem with it at all. For example, the following comment I just lifted off of the comments section to the article on the page where it is posted.

"When I was at college in a mountainous region full of wild deer, I had a dorm mate hit a deer with her truck. Because her father was a hunter, she knew exactly how to field dress the killed animal so that it's meat could be salvaged. Unfortunately, she did her field dressing in the girl's dorm common restroom and gave nightmares and heart attacks to the girls in their pajamas waking up in the middle of the night to go potty and coming upon a bloodied bathroom with girls with knifes and body parts. But the Dorm Crew came in the next morning to a pristine, super clean bathroom, and the girl went home with a freezer's worth of fresh deer meat.
Animals hit by cars are not as cleanly killed as animals shot, so bruising and internal bleeding could contaminate normally edible muscle tissue. That's why you have to field dress them to remove the colon and other damaged tissue before it can contaminate the rest of the body with the bacteria inside of it." - Valaria J.


To be clear, I am not encouraging people to eat roadkill. All I am saying is that I support this law being passed in Montana as it seems to work well in other States. There is no point in letting all that meat go to waste. And really, the more meat harvested in this manner, the less harvested from the end of a rifle.

Kevin

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I have a true story here: Years ago... my daughter used to date Dave, a 2nd year surgery resident(working together)...Oh I loved Dave at first sight, he was the son-in-law that I dreamt of...6' 3" tall/white/handsome/own big land in Pensylvania....8 months later, he went to hunt with his 3 doctor-friends..came back to the apartment with a big dead deer...blood all over the kitchen...my daughter came back from work...she was shocked...their relationship broke a week later...because he said he loved hunting and he would never change his mind/stop hunting !! He always came back to my daughter with big red rose-bouquets..but too late !!

Sad indeed, Dave was my most favorite among her boyfriends !!
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby plwk » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:47 am

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:03 am

Taking roadkill home to eat it would be a breech of the second precept. You are stealing food from the vultures. ;)
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby BlackBird » Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:47 am

When I saw the title of this thread I laughed, and felt a little bit grossed out, the term roadkill brings to mind a flattened possum or hedgehog as is common sight on New Zealand roads. But an intact big stag, well, if I had a ute, I'd be there in a jiffy.

James the Giant wrote:I've eaten plenty of roadkill.
In the 3 or 4 years I lived at a sort-of commune we ate a lot of roadkill possum, rabbit, and even once a cat. And before the animal-lovers get all shocked about eating someone's pet cat, NO, it was not a pet. It was a wild cat which lived on the farm.
The skins of the animals were cured and used to make an enormous fur bedspread.

Possum. Cute AND delicious.


Raised my eyebrows there abit Jamie with the cat-eating. But I don't think any differently of you for it, it''s just making use of free nutrition. But the idea of eating a cat personally makes me feel queasy. I grew up with cats in the household and they were more or less a member of the family. It's interesting that we in the west find the eating of certain animals quite abhorrent, but understandable given the roles we give cats and dogs in our society.

It's just culture I guess. I would never eat a cat unless I had no other choice personally, but I am curious to know what it tasted like?
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby manas » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:12 am

BlackBird wrote:It's just culture I guess. I would never eat a cat unless I had no other choice personally, but I am curious to know what it tasted like?


Having seen some of the things my dear cat has eaten over the years (a variety of rodents; and I mean whole, fur, tails, bones and all), I could not bring myself to eat a cat. Or any carnivore for that matter. 'eww' The taste would possibly be influenced by what the cat ate while alive - 'you are what you eat' goes the old saying...

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby James the Giant » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:15 am

BlackBird wrote:curious to know what it tasted like?

Nothing special... A naughty woman served it to her husband without telling him what it was, and he thought it was tough lamb. We were scandalised that she didn't tell him until afterwards, but they know each other very well so I guess that was their business. He didn't mind, fortunately!

One third I put on pizza, one third I made into a curry, and the haunch I roasted with a sprig of wild rosemary, honey from our own bees, and a dash of soy sauce.
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby James the Giant » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:18 am

I'd never east a domestic cat... Eew, they've been fed on pet-food! Nasty.
Mind you, muttonbirds are fed on nothing but vomit, and they taste sensational.
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby Virgo » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:15 am

yawares wrote:
Sad indeed, Dave was my most favorite among her boyfriends !!
yawares :cry:

Sounds good! Maybe she would have got sucked into hunting!

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby yawares » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:40 pm

Virgo wrote:
yawares wrote:
Sad indeed, Dave was my most favorite among her boyfriends !!
yawares :cry:

Sounds good! Maybe she would have got sucked into hunting!

-Kevin


Dear Kevin,

No..never..my daughter is very kind !!!..She was shocked to see 4 doctors cut meat from the poor dead deer...not just the blood in the kitchen..but also the deer head on the kitchen counter...she couldn't believe that she fell in love with a handsome man who was so cruel to animals..love drinking Jack Daniel whiskey!! She ordered Dave to take all of the dead deer out of her apt./must call a professional cleaner immediately to clean the kitchen...OH SHE' S MORE DANGEROUS THAN ME !!

There is a true story about an FBI lady-agent went undercover to be with KKK people...she fell in love with a cute farm-owner who later she found out that he was a KKK member who killed many black men...she was so sad...her story became a hit movie BETRAYED starring: Tom Berenger/Debra Winger...very good movie*****

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Dave is a real handsome guy with blue eyes/brown blond hair...if I were my daughter I would try to change him to be a Buddhist..I would take him to the temple to see the beautiful big Buddhas...I would try to change him to be a kind person...well they say love can do magic...love is a many splendor things...BUT THAT"S ME..my daughter doesn't have patience/time...she's a busy surgeon..she just cuts the bad things/bad men out of her life..

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby yawares » Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:29 pm

plwk wrote:Image No! No! NO! :mrgreen:


Dear Plwk,

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NO-no-no!!!!

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby chownah » Mon Apr 15, 2013 2:41 pm

The body of an animal is not wasted if people don't eat it!!! SOMETHING will eat it. I think it's a bit self centered to think that if something does not benefit people then it is wasted.
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby yawares » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:13 pm

chownah wrote:The body of an animal is not wasted if people don't eat it!!! SOMETHING will eat it. I think it's a bit self centered to think that if something does not benefit people then it is wasted.
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Are you Thai?..Chownah means 'farmer' in Thailand....
And I like your answer ..'marg marg' (very much).

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby Virgo » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:28 pm

Buckwheat wrote:Taking roadkill home to eat it would be a breech of the second precept. You are stealing food from the vultures. ;)

Do the vultures own the dead meat of an animal that was freshly hit? They don't. Besides, they rarely show up until the animal begins to rot.
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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby Virgo » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:31 pm

chownah wrote:The body of an animal is not wasted if people don't eat it!!! SOMETHING will eat it. I think it's a bit self centered to think that if something does not benefit people then it is wasted.
chownah

People will eat meat. They can simply harvest more meat form the slaughterhouse, or from an animal shot with a rifle or bow then instead of taking the meat and leaving the vultures to feed of off carcasses that were not produced on the road.

You see, every carcass in Montana not harvested from the roadside is hundreds (or close to a hundred pounds if a deer) that will not be eaten by humans, however, humans will still eat meat, so in each instance another animal will have to be slaughtered at the slaughterhouse or intentionally killed by hunters to produce that meat. That is the whole reason I brought this up.

Would you want more animals to die, or less, is what it basically boils down to. That's the way I see it anyway. Perhaps you hold a different opinion on this.

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby yawares » Tue Apr 16, 2013 5:20 pm

Dear Members,

Last sunday, on my way to Kroger..I saw a dead squirrel on the road near my house...2 crows were eating the meat/giblet of the dead squirrel...I pity poor squirrels..drivers hit them dead very often...there are many many squirrels around my neighborhood.

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby Roland » Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:05 pm

This seems logical to me. In India, apparently sandals/shoes are made from cows after they die a natural death. This looks like it is along the sames lines. Although I probably wouldn't eat any roadkill knowingly even if I was not a vegetarian.

manas wrote:A good idea, BUT I do wish that more effort was put in to safe places where wildlife can cross over roads, more warning signs for motorists, and such things, so that less wildlife gets hit and killed in the first place. We are the ones who came and built asphalt roads in their backyards, and who send tonnes of metal whizzing down them at speed, so we are the ones who ought to make those roads safer, for the wildlife as well as the humans.

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There are so many wildlife crossings around the world! I think there should be more, of course. There is even one in Montana and apparently Netherlands has more than 600 wildlife crossings.

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Re: Roadkill For Dinner? Montana Wants To Make It Legal Rea

Postby chownah » Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Virgo wrote:
chownah wrote:The body of an animal is not wasted if people don't eat it!!! SOMETHING will eat it. I think it's a bit self centered to think that if something does not benefit people then it is wasted.
chownah

People will eat meat. They can simply harvest more meat form the slaughterhouse, or from an animal shot with a rifle or bow then instead of taking the meat and leaving the vultures to feed of off carcasses that were not produced on the road.

You see, every carcass in Montana not harvested from the roadside is hundreds (or close to a hundred pounds if a deer) that will not be eaten by humans, however, humans will still eat meat, so in each instance another animal will have to be slaughtered at the slaughterhouse or intentionally killed by hunters to produce that meat. That is the whole reason I brought this up.

Would you want more animals to die, or less, is what it basically boils down to. That's the way I see it anyway. Perhaps you hold a different opinion on this.

Kevin

Kevin,
All animals that are born will die so it seems that it make little difference in the number of animal deaths.....Of course if fewer animals were born then there would be fewer deaths but I'm wondering if be reducing the number of animals born has any intrinsic value....is it better that an animal living a year or so and then dieing a bad thing.....or is it better if an animal lives a year or so and is eaten while still alive by a lion a better thing than being slaughtered for human consumption? I don't know.
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