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Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

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Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby SarathW » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:02 am

I believe that the Kamma can be explained by using modern physics. If we accept that light can be viewed as a wave or a particle, then we can argue that the particle can also be viewed as a wave.
If we use this knowledge with the theory of light cone, past Kamma (cause) is the past light cone and the future rebirth (effect) will be the future light cone.
Buddhism teaches us that our present existence is the result of our past action (past light cone) and our future existence (future light cone) is based on our present action. :idea:

Any thoughts?


“A Brief History of Time” by Stephen Hawking, http://www.fisica.net/relatividade/step ... f_time.pdf
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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby daverupa » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:13 am

Kamma isn't light, which poses one problem.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby SarathW » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:39 am

I am not talking about visible light. Did you mean the whole light spectrum? :)
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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby Sadge » Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:02 pm

Shaky at best?

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby manas » Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:42 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby Buckwheat » Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:20 pm

Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby James the Giant » Sat Apr 13, 2013 4:07 pm

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby m0rl0ck » Sat Apr 13, 2013 5:00 pm

There is nothing sacred about modern physics or the scientific method. They are just arbitrary rules and explanations, just ideas. You might as well try to explain the dharma with cave paintings. The object is to see reality, not make up new and "better" views.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby manas » Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:31 pm

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby m0rl0ck » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:56 am

Ok so in my last post substitute "special" for sacred. I should have known better than to use such a loaded word.

There is a certain kind of wrong view that is about intellectual conceit and being smart and wanting to feel fashionable and cutting edge. If there were a dharma 10,000 years ago, the type of person prone to this error would have been comparing the dharma to cave paintings. Two hundred years ago the type of person prone to this error would have been comparing the dharma to steam engines. Today, this type of person compares the dharma to modern physics.
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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby alan » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:27 pm

Kamma refers to intention. There is no way to prove or disprove it by way of science, and no need to do so.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby Digity » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:23 pm

Light cone has nothing to do with karma. At best it's past/future concept might be a good analogy for karma, but that does not make a proof! Science is far more rigorous than that. Flimsy analysis like this leads to a lot of pseudo-science.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby SarathW » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:48 am

Hi all
Thanks for all your answers and effort you put in to it. To me, Dhamma means nature. So Dhamma should not be alienated from science.
I think that science has not caught up with Dhamma as yet. For me, the science has strengthen the faith in Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha.

Not even science, Buddha’s management skills, amazed me.
Think about, his teaching methods and Vinaya (code of conduct) education methods etc which he implemented 2500 years ago.

I agree with you that this knowledge is not contributing to the final liberation and we have to let it go so we can free ourselves from all conditioned things. :)
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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby Digity » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 am

When you read about things like evolution, Big Bang, etc and realize they don't contradict the Buddha's teaching and in some cases were even taught by the Buddha (e.g. contraction/expansion of the universe) then it definitely builds one's faith. In the early going things like this helped, but as I've gotten more into Buddhism it's become more about the practice.

I don't think science really needs to catch up with Buddhism. The teachings are fine on their own, but it doesn't hurt when you see scientific studies supporting meditation, etc. However, you have to keep in mind these scientists aren't necessarily Buddhist and their studies are not really capturing everything. So, these studies are interesting, but they only grasp small aspects. The really heart of the teachings are a personal journey and that's a realm science doesn't really touch upon.

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Re: Light Cone – The scientific explanation for Kamma

Postby alan » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:59 pm

SarathW,
If Dhamma means nature, then it means nothing. Because how can you define nature?

I'd advise you to take a closer look at the Dhamma and its implications. You may find that looking for scientific explanations becomes irrelevant, once you get a better understanding.

Wish you the best on the path.

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