Urgently seeking jhana teachers in Burma and SE Asia

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Urgently seeking jhana teachers in Burma and SE Asia

Postby Mr.SeanStewart » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:24 am

Hey Dhama family, I am very urgently and desperately seeking a school that focuses on
developing jhanas before doing mindfulness practice.

- Also looking at a retreat that focuses on doing intense retreats idealy long term in a quiet center.

can you please tell me the names of the schools who do this, also where abouts they are located?

IM currently traveling in East asia so any where in asia would be perfect

Thank you kindly in advance

Sean


ps.
From my understanding so far Goenka's teaching does Samadi for 3.3 days on a 10 day course
Mahasi's organization focuses on rising and falling of stomach.
i know there are schools that develop jahna before doing mindfullness, which is what im seeking

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:09 am

As a matter of interest...why?
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby Mr.SeanStewart » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:35 am

Kindly i rather not start that discussion of the reason why at this point, as i know there are
different views and understanding on this.

I just like to know if there is such a school that develops jahana through natural breath (not visualization)
and then proceeds to teach Vipassina.

Any help would be great.

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:42 am

Hi Sean,

A number of teachers specifically develop Jhana, such as Pa Auk Sayadaw and his students, Ajahn Maha Bua's students, Ajahn Brahm, and so on. Did you have a particular location in mind?

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby manas » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:10 am

Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby Ben » Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:40 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby James the Giant » Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:19 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby mikenz66 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:57 pm

There is a Pa Auk centre in Malaysia, so that might be a good choice, since visas would not be an issue.

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby daverupa » Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:13 pm

Vipassana and samatha are developed in tandem; should one or another achieve preeminence, the imbalance is to be redressed, but not chosen - the problem will be with personal (i.e. habitual) emphases. I think it's a disservice to suggest that one or another is to be developed first on purpose, even in reference to such differing temperaments.

Satipatthana properly develops both, as two hands wash each other even when you pay attention to only one hand; anapanasati is a sequel which brings the awakening factors to fulfillment by development. Find the proper method in your own case by diligent satisampajanna - do not neglect this daily practice in order to favor formal seated efforts, which are appropriately seen as efforts to compose jhana on the basis of satipatthana - again, with vipassana and samatha in tandem.

Putting vipassana and jhana in contrast seems to be based on a misunderstanding.

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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby Ben » Mon Apr 15, 2013 12:48 am

I think the OP has asked for contacts regarding the teaching of samatha.
Anything other than the provision of places and names is off-topic.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: Developing Jhana before Vipassina (Urgently Seeking)

Postby Dmytro » Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:18 am

Hi Sean,

I would sincerely recommend Samatha Trust

http://samatha.org/

Best wishes, Dmytro


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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Jhana Teachers In Burma?

Postby Mr.SeanStewart » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:22 pm

Dear Dhama Framily,

on my search to discovering my teacher iv come up with the following 3 teachers and schools who i know
for sure focus on developing Jhana before vipassina.

1 Ajahn Brahm ~ Australia Monestry
2 Thanissaro bhikkhu - Sandiego CA
3 Pa-Auk School - Burma

My question is do you know any other teacher who is taking on students who is in Burma or Thailand
with name and location would be great.



Thanks so much

Sean

PS. Since i am looking to work directly with a teacher Option 3 Pa-Auk is less favorable,
i heard many people there are left on their own.

PSS. I heard Ajan Chah was focusing on jhana before vipassina but today i visited one of his
monesteries (Wat Pah Nanachat) in Udon Thailand, and i talked to one of the monks
and he didnt know any thing about Jhana.


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