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Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:40 pm

I am looking for information on traditional devotions, if one might call them that, with Devas, Ghosts/Spirits that are canonical i.e not folkloric but part of Pali theravada tradition. Recently in a thread it was mentioned that DN 20 is recited for the benefit of Devas, and I also heard similar things recently in a Dhamma talk by Bhikkhu Bodhi that that there is an idea that Devas and spirits can become happy if merits are shared, which I know is done for pretas. I have no access to a local Buddhist community and wonder what place such devotions and the Devas ect. in general have in theravada tradition.
Also within the traditional cosmology there are many Devas who are Buddhist, for example the anagamis of the pure abodes. Do these beings hold a special place within the tradition in any way?
Any Dhamma talks touch on the subject in a more detailed manner?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

Postby Ben » Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:56 pm

Greetings Coyote,
I think you will find some evidence in the ancient pali canon and some practices that don't have a direct link to the ancient literature. However, in my humble opinion, I don't think it really matters. Within the Theravada, non-visible beings are part of the cosmological landscape. In some Theravadin societies, some entities are venerated and some not. If you like, these entities are manifestations of particular mental qualities or behaviours.
The Atanatiya Sutta, a paritta (protection) is a recitation of the names of the yakkhas which provides protection in the forest.
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Ben
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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

Postby polarbear101 » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:52 am

If you go to this link and type in devas there will be a few talks on recollection of the devas:

https://www.abhayagiri.org/audio
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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

Postby Coyote » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:22 pm

Thanks for the replies. Recollection of Devas is interesting but not exactly what I was thinking of, as it is more passive if you see what I mean. I was more thinking of examples like DN 20, where these beings are specifically interacted with. Maybe there is nothing else, I have no idea. There is an attitude I have encountered from several monastic teachers that if you help devas, give them Dhamma, respect and so on they will protect you, and that there are Devas devoted to protection of the Dhamma generally. Does this attitude find its roots in the Pali Canon, and if so, where?
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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

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Re: Devotions with Devas/Spirits/Ghosts

Postby khlawng » Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:01 am

Here is one that is devoted to Pretas. In particular, this sutta touched on the following subjects:

1) The reapperance of beings in different states upon "break-up" of the body
2) Dedicating gifts to relatives that has reappeared in the hungry shade realm
3) Lower realm avoidance



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