Skeptical doubt

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Skeptical doubt

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Re: Skeptical doubt

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby alan... » Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:53 am

the buddha kind of taught both too avoid skeptical doubt and too investigate and test his teachings.

i think the key in this sutta is that ones doubt should not be so strong that it causes wavering in practice as there will be no progress if one is in constant doubt to the point that it is impeding practice.

so the middle ground method would be (in my opinion) too practice sincerely and accept all teachings provisionally. if, after a good LONG time of sincere effort and practice, one sees absolutely NO validity too the practices or other ideas then, and only then, should one consider allowing serious skeptical doubt enter ones' mind.

and this applies too pagans and atheists as well. if a pagan approached their religion the same way it would have the same scientific testing type outcome. "i'll pray too the hawk goddess and have faith and if my prayer comes true then i'll continue to believe in her."

or an atheist... actually really atheists are turning a blind eye the same as someone with blind faith. atheism is utter denial that there is a god(s). blind faith is utter faith that there is a god(s). both are based on faith! neither can be proven, yet both claim too know for certain. agnostics on the other hand (which is what most atheists actually are, few are true "atheists") can do the same experiments as pagans or anybody else.

for buddhism we meditate and follow the path with great effort, if it helps us and makes us suffer less then we should have faith in it and the buddha himself.
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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby daverupa » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:16 am

The hindrance of doubt is doubt over the distinction between wholesome and unwholesome. Skeptical doubt about this or that doctrinal point or historical event is quite different.

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby robertk » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:37 am

It was wisdom that led the Buddha ro leave his first two teachers.Nothing to do with skeptical doubt.

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby Alex123 » Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:11 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby alan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:29 pm

Premise is incorrect. Buddha did not leave his first teachers because of doubt, skeptical or otherwise.

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Re: Skeptical doubt

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby alan » Mon Apr 22, 2013 2:48 pm

Actually, it was dissatisfaction with his teachers that motivated him to carry on alone.

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby Coyote » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:43 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby Lazy_eye » Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:24 pm

To my (lazy?) eye at least, it seems clear that skeptical doubt refers to doubt concerning the teacher, path and practice.

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Re: Skeptical doubt

Postby binocular » Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:50 pm

There's a very instructive joke:


- How many skeptics does it take to change a lightbulb?
- Actually, they won't do it. They have no sense of urgency about the situation; they aren't sure they're really in the dark.


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