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Rebirth mechanics

Postby Stiphan » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:35 pm

How does consciousness pass from one body to the next at the moment of rebirth? Is it similar to how radio waves travel through air from one emitter to the receiver?

Also, if I die in Europe, is it possible to be reborn in, say, Japan?

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Re: Rebirth mechanics

Postby kc2dpt » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:40 pm

Consciousness is not a static thing which can travel through space. A consciousness moment arises, performs it's function, and passes away. This happens very rapidly. However, one consciousness moment conditions the next, which is why we have the illusion of continuity over time. In a similar fashion, the death consciousness moment conditions the birth consciousness moment.

Distance makes no matter. You can die in Europe and take birth in Japan with no problem.

The precise mechanics have never been studied by anyone so there is no answer to your primary question.
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Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:44 pm

Six common misconceptions of a permanent self:

1. The body

2. Feelings

3. Perceptions

4. Mental formations

5. Consciousness

6. The world

(None of the above constitutes a permanent self.)

Sorry, don't have the exact Sutta reference handy. :thinking:
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I don't recall the Buddha saying anything about the mechanics of it other than saying that craving makes it happen. Without craving, it doesn't happen.
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Re: Rebirth mechanics

Postby Jechbi » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:16 am

Hi Stefan, how's the juggling going?

This is somewhat related. :smile:

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Re: Rebirth mechanics

Postby nathan » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:17 am

As far as I can see, and it appears to accord with the teachings entirely, ignorance is the prime mover, the premier cause of the rebirth. Ignorance is, in this sense, the same as consciousness itself, which is a lonely little thing when it is all by itself with nothing to be conscious 'of'. So, it continues to seek contact, of one sort or another, not realizing that this contact leads to becoming mired in a whole heap of compounded conditions, such as gathering together a cloud of mind qualities and conditions and possibly also acquiring a body of one kind or another and senses and thereby 'getting a life'. When it is over, if the condition persists, namely complete ignorance of what is going on, the consciousness condition arises again and this simply repeats itself, again and again. So the mechanics are that consciousness is ignorant that being and becoming are nothing but a pain in the...consciousness. And that it's own re-arising, the condition of consciousness, is just another ignorantly habbitual re-occurrence of the same old problem again as well. The cure, is education.

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With best wishes

Only in a vertical view, straight down into the abyss of his own personal existence, is a man capable of apprehending the perilous insecurity of his situation; and only a man who does apprehend this is prepared to listen to the Buddha's Teaching.

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But whoever walking, standing, sitting, or lying down overcomes thought, delighting in the stilling of thought: he's capable, a monk like this, of touching superlative self-awakening. § 110. {Iti 4.11; Iti 115}


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