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Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Ben » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:37 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby PeterB » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:41 am

Hi Ben.... :anjali: Sorry...
But... scroll forward a millenium or two..to Merton, Bede Griffiths, Thomas Keating et al..and it starts to get very interesting.

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:25 am

This isn't my field so if there are those who know more feel free to offer more conclusive evidence for/against. In my quick research I can't find any scholar who finds a link between Buddhism and Christian monasticism per se, but as I said earlier I have read somewhere, in a reputable source (I think...) that indian ascetics influenced those who would come to influence the early christian movement and the desert fathers in particular- such as John the Baptist and other similar figures and movements (essenes?). I can't find it though, and I could be wrong.

Edit: of course even if this is true, it is a far cry from saying Christianity "borrowed" from Buddhism. I think that is unlikely.
"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Ben » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:28 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:36 am

If you want to look a modern comparison between Christianity and Buddhism look no further than eastern orthodox such as Fr. Seraphim Rose (he was a Buddhist before he converted) and other American Orthodox monks. Whether there was a conscious influence or not, I remember, back when I was into that kind of thing, listening to various talks by these monks and thinking that they sound very "buddhist". Their teaching on the ego is uncannily similar to some Indian teachings, above and beyond the teachings of their predecessors. The ego is an illusion, that kind of thing. Removal of desire. All very "Buddhist" but of course this stretches back into very early times so it is again unlikely for there to be any real influence. It is interesting to compare though.
"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Coyote » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:13 am

And yet Fr. Seraphim said of Buddhism: 'It's fine as far as it goes, but it does not go far enough'. I'm not saying there is conscious influence. But if I remember correctly there seemed to be some very (far) eastern influences in what I have read of modern orthodox spirituality. How far this goes back I do not know. Some of the ideas that I remember do have ancient roots, but seemed to me to go above and beyond that.

I've never claimed any ancient Buddhist influence. And yet it is interesting to compare their similarities. Apophatic theology is one area, as you mention.
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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby PeterB » Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:14 pm

I think it is what Ben said Coyote..I think its parallel evolution.
If you get a bunch of people in caves..some in the Himalayas, some in Greece and if those guys watch their breath and calm their minds then certain results will follow.
How those people then interpret those results may vary.

There is a very interesting record of a conversation between Thomas Merton and an old Tibetan hermit..although each practised according to their own tradition, when they compared notes they were amazed at the similarities in experience.
At one point the Tibetan laughs and says... " what is happening here..this cant be right."...

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby PeterB » Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:55 pm

On the contrary. I think the fact that " he remained chaste " suggests that he did.
The sign of a person who is aware is not that they are human and tempted. Its the fact that they keep their vows.
Certainly the Dalai Lama thought so.
He described Merton as having an extraordinary insight into the nature of things.

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby Justsit » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:18 pm

His Holiness at Merton's grave

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby ground » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:34 am

When there are two springs conveying water that originates from the same subterrestrial water reservoir it may not be appropriate to say that one spring "borrows" from the other spring. :sage:

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Re: Did Christianity "borrow" from Buddhism?

Postby ground » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:11 am

Maybe you are trying to introduce another spring? If so go ahead. Human creativity must not be blocked. :sage:


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