Problems with no-self

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Problems with no-self

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Problems with no-self

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: Problems with no-self

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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There is the same person, but you shouldn't see a person as a thing. It's a process. Liken it to a song: the notes fade in and out, but still there is a continuity there that is not a "thing". A song is not a thing, it is just a collection of notes. We call it a song, and give it a name, simply because that is useful on a conventional level. If I say I want to listen to Beat It, well, you know what song I mean.

If I call somebody John, that's useful because you know what person I mean. But in the process "John", nothing is constant. You could call the person a "self", and you could have a point, but that's all on the conventional level. In reality there are no concepts, so self and not self don't really apply. We can only see that there is a construction of what we take ourselves to be. With meditation a lot of people shave off a lot of this, making it smaller. The Buddha wanted us to see we are shaving something which has no core. Like taking layers of an onion. You can keep going and nothing is left. You may be stuck on a certain layer right now, and that's ok, but if you keep following the path, you'll find a way to peel it I'm sure.

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Re: Problems with no-self

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Problems with no-self

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A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."


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