Breaking the 7th precept

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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Breaking the 7th precept

Postby bga » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:03 pm

Hello! I'm a senior in high school and although I graduate next month one of the classes I'm taking to graduate is choir. I enjoy choir but since I'm starting to observe the eight precepts on Uposatha it is a bit of a problem. I won't sing on Uposatha but I can't really get around the listening to music part. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to avoid breaking this precept/is it alright if a precept is broken if it can't be avoided? :thanks:
sabbe dhammā nālaṃ abhinivesāyā’ti

"All phenomena are unworthy of attachment"
SN 7.58

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Modus.Ponens » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:22 pm

If you hear music unintentionaly, say while wlking down the street, that's not breaking the precept.

Regarding the uposata: do you believe in astrology? To quote Sheldon Cooper, astrology tells us that "the sun’s apparent position relative to arbitrarily defined constellations at the time of your birth somehow affects your personality." If astrology is not of your concern, there is no significance to do the uposata strictly by the lunar calendar. Just do it with the usual frequency of uposata, with the same space in between observance days, just that in those days you don't have choir practice.
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Dennenappelmoes » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:25 pm

I don't see a problem at all. The precepts refer to entertainment, but from what I hear you are not working with music for the purpose of your own entertainment and to pass away time. It sounds like you are doing something constructive that benefits the happiness of other people and your own development, so good job! Problem solved, or do I misunderstand? I figure it shouldn't become a superstitious custom, it's about understanding its purpose and reflecting on your own behaviour with honesty. Similarly, a monk isn't allowed to touch someone from the opposite sex, but should this person happen to faint, the monk would probably catch her and feel confident that his intentions are alright.

If you reach the point you have so much fun with the music you want to have a drink and dance on the table, that's where you may want to watch out :toast:

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby bga » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:13 pm

sabbe dhammā nālaṃ abhinivesāyā’ti

"All phenomena are unworthy of attachment"
SN 7.58

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:50 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby marc108 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:40 pm

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Modus.Ponens » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:52 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Sovatthika » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:36 pm

i'm like 1000% sure there is a relevant, significant difference between listening to music recreationally and listening to it for a class. remember the precepts are for your benefit
namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā sambuddhassa

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Re: Breaking the 7th precept

Postby Sovatthika » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:41 pm

re: 'lying' it is 100% NOT right speech to lie (purposely speak false truths). being polite isn't one of the 5 precepts; abstinence from lying is
namo tassa bhagavato arahato sammā sambuddhassa

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