The causes for wisdom

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Postby kirk5a » Mon May 06, 2013 1:14 pm

There is such a thing as "deciding" and it is a condition. The notion that absolutely no dhammas can be conditioned as wished is silly. Every time one wishes to say something here on Dhammawheel, one has to move the fingers in a specific manner on the keyboard, in order to express what one wishes to say.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby robertk » Mon May 06, 2013 2:25 pm

volition , cetana, comes with practically all moments. Sometimes strong, sometimes weak and barely noticeble.
Conventionally we decide to be buddhists, decide to follow this teacher or that teacher.
But at the level of elements there are merely certain types of citta, accompanied by cetana, and with wisdom or without, that perform their functions of being interested in this or that (manipulated by the strings of either wisdom or greed or ignorance).

One story from the Commentaries tells of a queen who was extremely beautiful. She had heard that the Buddha spoke about foulness of the body so she resisted meeting him. Her King, who was a sotapanna finally told his men to bring her to the Buddha's talk. But still she insisted on staying at the edge of the crowd. The Buddha conjured an image of a beautiful woman who slowly aged and then died. The queen had no wish to see this or to listen to the talk but seeing and hearing wosdom grew and she became enlightened where she stood.

Overall I think it is because of not really seeing the way that we place emphasis on choosing this way or that way. If wisdom grows then I think volition is seen as merely an element, often associated with lobha, and it is other elements that play the main role in this path.
And also elements are so ephemeral..

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby robertk » Mon May 06, 2013 2:47 pm

That is true. :anjali:
My own volitions are almost always with lobha. It covers everything, so this path is not so obvious. But if we mix wrong view with lobha then it gets harder: hence the reason for this thread- to look at the causes for wisdom/rightview.

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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