The causes for wisdom

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby dhamma follower » Thu May 09, 2013 4:15 am

Dear all,

By the way, according to the Abhidhamma, there are 19 wholesome mental factors which always arise together. When the 20th, wisdom/understanding/right view arises,it arises with all those 19. Ekkagata (concentration) arises with all cittas, when it arises with wholesome citta, it is wholesome, and vice versa.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby mikenz66 » Thu May 09, 2013 5:55 am

Thanks, Robert. That is an interesting point.

However, reading of those passages in the Visuddhimagga (and other passages) in context, leads me to the conclusion that quite a lot of concentration is required for insight.

I guess we will continue to come to different conclusions.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby robertk » Thu May 09, 2013 5:59 am

Thanks Mike
I did say that say that during those brief moment of vipassana nana that Samadhi is very strong indeed- and at that flash when nibbana is attained it is even considered as equivalent in strength to jhana.

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby Mr Man » Thu May 09, 2013 8:34 am

So "momentary concentration" is the standard concentration that all beings would have which comes with being alive? And this concentration has different levels of intensity. Normally it is through sustained application that intensity is developed. robertk how would you say the intensity of concentration arises?

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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Re: The causes for wisdom

Postby robertk » Thu May 09, 2013 12:29 pm

Dear Alex
even when one is developing vipassana alone there will be calmness, it happens naturally imho. I think one will feel more relaxed in any aspect of life- and that is just for the beginner, let alone for someone who is close to attaining.
Of course life is still dukkha and sometimes even distressing, depending on kamma made in the past and how strong the accumulations of lobha and dosa are. But the overall trend must be towards more understanding of reality. And that is freeing and always with detachment..

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Re: The causes for wisdom

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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