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Problems with no-self

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Alex123,
What is the advantage of developing this doctrine of self which you propose as opposed to having no doctrine of self as proposed by the Buddha?
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Postby whynotme » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:17 pm

The only meaning of the self is experiences and only experiences is worth for the seeking of self.

Is self permanent or changing moment by moment? Not worth it

Here is what self is: Do you know pain? Do you know pleasure? That is where you can talk about self. Without pain and pleasure, what is the point of yourself and finding it? A self in vague space just for the sake of knowledge?

What if self continues to exist without any feeling? What? There is no point in discussing a self like that.

If there is a thing that exists outside of universe and there is no way to contact and measure it, then how to prove its existence/ non existence and what is the point of doing that?

What is the point of finding yourself without any feelings?

Sometimes problem can only be solved in the big picture. For instance, a man needs a house, so he collects material and tool to build it. But he keeps focus too much on his current purpose so that he forgot that he needs a house, he only goal is to find and collect material to build a house. But doing that is very hard, material is rare so he keeps trying and trying without success. If he remember the big picture, he only needs them for the house, he can bypass the collecting material, but choose to buy a house which is far easier than build new one.

Similar to that, people seek happiness. Then they discuss about everything and seek every manner. Some try to seek a self for some reason, but it is too hard. If they remember that finding a self is only a step in seeking happiness, then they can bypass that part and finding happiness directly.

These are undeniable facts:
There are feelings: pain and pleasure
There will be feelings in the future: pain or pleasure

If one knows pain and pleasure and their value, then one should ask, how can I have more pleasure and less pain, with or without self, this is a better manner. Happiness is the only thing worth it.
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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: Problems with no-self

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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:thumbsup:
Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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Re: Problems with no-self

Postby Bakmoon » Tue May 14, 2013 3:33 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Postby kirk5a » Tue May 14, 2013 3:20 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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