Zimesky wrote: it gets all mixed up in the dream world. It generally starts as an inner visual/mental representation of the breath work. A for instance, maybe my mind will create the image of clouds or wind pouring in with my in breath, and a stream of yellow movement on the out breath.
Letting my breath flow naturally is very difficult. It feels so robotic when I try to watch the in and out breathing. Sometimes I'll even just try letting my body breath on it's own and end up holding my breath, waiting for it to breath on it's own.
James the Giant wrote:That happens to me too. The breath might become a school of darting fish, or a fixed point on the edge of a rotating disc, or something like your example. It is interesting!
But I have no easy answers sorry. When that happens, I eventually come out of it back to a direct perception of the breath, and the sensations of breathing. Maybe it helps to focus more on the physical sensations of breathing, I don't really know. But take solace in the fact that this is not an unknown thing.
Zimesky wrote:Problem No.1
Kamran wrote:As Thanissaro Bikhu has said, the best meditators are not the ones for whom everything goes smoothly all the time. They're the ones that had to put up with difficulties. Learned to observe the mind when it was difficult and find a way around it.
5heaps wrote:the antidote is to bring to mind very clearly the benefits of meditation and why youre doing it
daverupa wrote:It may also be helpful, if you are not already doing so, to bring satipatthana along with you as a daily practice.
Zimesky wrote:5heaps wrote:the antidote is to bring to mind very clearly the benefits of meditation and why youre doing it
I would like to attain Jhana meditation, or Samadhi as I first heard it called, so if this happens should I concentrate on the benefits that arise from this state?
Zimesky wrote:daverupa wrote:It may also be helpful, if you are not already doing so, to bring satipatthana along with you as a daily practice.
I'm not entirely sure what this is, could you explain it to me?
"And how is a monk mindful? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — subduing greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings... mind... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — subduing greed & distress with reference to the world. This is how a monk is mindful.
"And how is a monk alert? There is the case where feelings are known to the monk as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. Thoughts are known to him as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. Perceptions are known to him as they arise, known as they persist, known as they subside. This is how a monk is alert.
"And how, O monks, is a monk clearly comprehending? He applies clear comprehension in going forward and going back; in looking straight on and in looking elsewhere; in bending and in stretching (his limbs); in wearing the robes and carrying the alms bowl; in eating, drinking, chewing and savoring; in obeying the calls of nature; in walking, standing sitting, falling asleep, waking, speaking and being silent — in all that he applies clear comprehension. So, monks, is a monk clearly comprehending.
Zimesky wrote:Problem No.1
So I get really dreamy a lot when I meditate, pretty much using any technique. It's like I'll have 30% of my mind on watching the my breathing, and the extra 70% will slowly drift off and create random images and stories along with the meditation. Sometimes I don't even notice that I'm doing it until I realize I haven't been watching my breath, but the dream instead.
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