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Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

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Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 2:38 am

He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 2:59 am

He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun May 12, 2013 3:01 am

The problem is that the Buddha made it quite clear that mindfulness of breathing was not simply samatha but instead a fully capable vehicle for insight. To refer to the breath as "conceptual" or to claim that knowing the character of the breath is somehow not insight or not capable of leading to insight is to ignore literally hundreds of statements to the contrary in exchange for a few later commentarial designations that were invented long after the Buddha passed on. There is no way one can read the suttas and truly come to the understanding that anapanasati is "purely samatha."
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 3:11 am

He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 5:45 am

He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby Bakmoon » Sun May 12, 2013 6:59 am

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby mikenz66 » Sun May 12, 2013 7:36 am

Thanks for pointing out those details Bakmoon. That agrees with what I was trying to say, but I'm not familiar enough with Ven Yuttadhammo's talks to point go into details.

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun May 12, 2013 8:04 am

One might point out that "Yuttadhammo" is also just a concept.

I don't see anything wrong with what he said. Almost anything, if wrongly grasped can be misleading.

Venerable Ledi Sayādaw explains when using mindfulness of breathing as the primary object.
• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 8:09 am

Last edited by suceta on Sun May 12, 2013 8:25 am, edited 1 time in total.
He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby suceta » Sun May 12, 2013 8:18 am

He should develop [contemplation of] the unattractive so as to abandon passion.
He should develop good will so as to abandon ill will.
He should develop mindfulness of in-&-out breathing so as to cut off thinking.
He should develop the perception of inconstancy so as to uproot the conceit, 'I am.'
For a monk perceiving inconstancy, the perception of not-self is made steady.
One perceiving not-self attains the uprooting of the conceit, 'I am' — unbinding right in the here-&-now.

Meghiya Sutta (ref: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby Mr Man » Sun May 12, 2013 9:11 am

How would you experience the breath directly? Surely it can only be known as a secondary object (a reflection) or as a concept?

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun May 12, 2013 9:34 am

• • • • (Upasampadā: 24th June, 1979)

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby Bakmoon » Sun May 12, 2013 8:43 pm

The non-doing of any evil,
The performance of what's skillful,
The cleansing of one's own mind:
This is the Buddhas' teaching.

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Re: Breath as a concept by Yuttadhammo

Postby kirk5a » Sun May 12, 2013 10:44 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230


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