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the great rebirth debate

A discussion on all aspects of Theravāda Buddhism
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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Mon May 13, 2013 5:17 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby dxm_dxm » Mon May 13, 2013 6:47 pm

About questioning: There are 2 mistakes one can make along the way. Not starting in the first place, and not going all the way

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby 5heaps » Mon May 13, 2013 11:54 pm

A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Postby 5heaps » Mon May 13, 2013 11:57 pm

A Japanese man has been arrested on suspicion of writing a computer virus that destroys and replaces files on a victim PC with manga images of squid, octopuses and sea urchins. Masato Nakatsuji, 27, of Izumisano, Osaka Prefecture, was quoted as telling police: "I wanted to see how much my computer programming skills had improved since the last time I was arrested."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Tue May 14, 2013 12:44 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Tue May 14, 2013 1:03 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby polarbear101 » Tue May 14, 2013 5:53 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby polarbear101 » Tue May 14, 2013 6:09 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Alex123 » Tue May 14, 2013 10:41 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: the great rebirth debate

Postby Lazy_eye » Tue May 14, 2013 11:43 am

I think it's a misleading comparison, because religion and science use fundamentally different paradigms for attaining knowledge.

For example, in most religions, scriptural authority or the pronouncements of a revered teacher are considered valid bases for knowledge. So is direct personal testimony (I saw an angel, had this strange meditation experience, felt I was walking through walls, etc).

Science accepts none of the above and relies on observation and measurement, with certain rules laid out as to what constitutes a valid test.

As Ñāṇa pointed out somewhere in this thread, the Pali Canon sets out various bases for knowledge: 1) scriptural authority and the authority of noble persons, 2) inference from accepted premises, 3) direct perception (for instance, by a meditator who develops special powers or insight). Notably, these three bases do not appear to include what we would call the scientific method.

Maybe this is why we never get anywhere in these discussions. The "great rebirth debate" thread is essentially an arena for conflicting epistemologies.

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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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"My religion is very simple - my religion is ice-cream."
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