Nature of Awakening, the role of practice

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Nature of Awakening, the role of practice

Postby Alex123 » Fri May 17, 2013 8:15 pm

Hello all,

I have multiple ideas as to how the practice ultimately works.

1) "Super Insight". One gains super insight after which negative qualities automatically cease and never arise. The problem is, If one already believes in anicca, asubha, dukkha, anatta, then what is this super insight?

2) "Strong arm tactic". One realizes the drawback of negative qualities and trains to resist them. Of course the reason why it is difficult in the beginning is because of strength of habit and one needs to build a new habit.

3) "Moment to moment understanding of anatta". Since there is no self, then whatever mental&physical states arise (good or bad), there is no one to control them so that one should merely not cling to them and don't consider them to be "mine". If there is no considering them as "mine", then they don't affect one.


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Postby fivebells » Fri May 17, 2013 8:56 pm

By ultimately, do you mean final release, or the way the practice releases specific instances suffering? In the latter case, I think it can work in any of those ways.

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Postby Alex123 » Fri May 17, 2013 9:14 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Postby m0rl0ck » Sat May 18, 2013 6:25 pm

Just responding to point 1., it doesnt matter what you believe. The belief system is there to get you to the cushion or what ever practice you do. Practice gives knowledge and then a belief system is dead weight. There is a big difference between seeing something as a reality and believing in it as a concept.

Good post tho, i have been thinking about this myself. i would like to beleive 1. is possible but im afraid at times that 3. is the limit. There is and ajhan dune quote, where he is talking about having anger but "not picking it up" This sounds to me like what you are talking about in point 3.
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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."


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