kmath wrote:Hello all,
During the course of practice, some people have "mystical experiences" that aren't specifically "Buddhist." I'm talking about experiences of divine union, asral projection, lucid dreaming, colors in mediation, etc. You know I mean, weird stuff.
Do you think they play any role in developing the path? There seem to be two views on this. Some people say no, these experiences tend to be a distraction. Others say yes, these experiences tend to inspire more practice.
What do you think?
kmath wrote:A lot of you said to keep this experiences to yourself and don't make too much of them. I kind of expected that's what people would say because that's all I ever hear. But personally I wish teachers would talk about these experiences more. Hearing about them is fun and inspiring, and at times the Dhamma is so dry. I like to think there will be these nuggets of mysticism along the path.
kmath wrote:at times the Dhamma is so dry
kmath wrote:... But personally I wish teachers would talk about these experiences more. Hearing about them is fun and inspiring, and at times the Dhamma is so dry.
Alternatively, what is the underlying reason for wanting to hear about them? Remember that the path is geared towards the cessation of dukkha, and that craving is the cause of dukkha. Is your inclination expressed here giving rise to craving (and thus, dukkha) or to the alleviation of it? Only you can answer that...
daverupa wrote:kmath wrote:at times the Dhamma is so dry
Would you like to expand on this?
ground wrote:kmath wrote:... But personally I wish teachers would talk about these experiences more. Hearing about them is fun and inspiring, and at times the Dhamma is so dry.
Maybe you should try Mahayana and its sutras. At times very colourful and at times great fun
kmath wrote:Thanks everyone for your responses.
and at times the Dhamma is so dry.
“We think far too much, and that stops us from getting any peace in life. Whenever you’re thinking about life, you can’t enjoy life. You’re just listening to the commentary. You’re reading the book about life. The thoughts and ideas in your mind. You’re not really enjoying the real thing.
Similarly, an old meditation story of Lao Tzu. Every evening he would go on a walk, and he would choose one of his disciples. Only one could go on a walk with the great master. But there was a golden rule, if you were on a walk with a great Taoist master, you have to be quiet. You were not allowed to speak, not even one word.
One day this young man was going on a walk with the master. And they got to a region of mountains and there was this sunset. And it was one of those amazing gorgeous sunsets.
The young man couldn’t help but say ‘Wow what a beautiful sunset.’
He broke the rule. Lao Tzu turned around, returned to the monastery and would never allow that young man on a walk ever again.
The young man’s friend pleaded for him. ‘It was only one sentence. Give him a break. Cut him some slack… What’s the big deal anyway of keeping silent.’
That’s when the master said this very profound explanation.
He said, ‘When that young man said, ‘what a beautiful sunset’, he wasn’t watching the sunset anymore. He was only watching the words. He wasn’t watching the sunset. He was only watching the words.’
Every time you think you’re watching a beautiful sunset, you’re not watching it anymore.”
Sole dominion over the earth,
going to heaven,
lordship over all worlds:
the fruit of stream-entry
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