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Is it still possible to get enlightened? - Dhamma Wheel

Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby lewis454 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:46 am

In the way the Buddha talked about? Yes or no? Is there any 'evidence'? It also seems like a lot of different people mean a lot of different things by enlightenment.

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:49 am

Yes, why would it not be possible?
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Ben » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:34 am

It all depends on whether one is committed and does the hard work that is required.
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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:22 pm

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:06 pm

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby fivebells » Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:59 pm

I don't know exactly where the path ultimately leads, but there is a lot of sweet, sweet fruit to pick up along the way, and it gets better as you progress. :)

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby floating_abu » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:02 pm

Here's what Ajaan Lee Dhammadaro said about it:

When I first became aware of the conflicting views held by people who practice — and of how ill-informed they are — I felt inspired by their desire to learn the truth, but at the same time dismayed over their views: right mixed with wrong, some people saying that nibbana and the paths leading to it still exist, others maintaining that nibbana has passed away and can no longer be attained. This latter belief is a particular cause for dismay, because a desire for nibbana is what has led us all to submit ourselves to the practice of the Buddha's teachings in the first place. If we don't have such a desire, we aren't likely to be especially sincere in our practice; and if we aren't sincere, our practice will be in vain as far as the benefits the Buddha intended for us are concerned, because the Buddha's sole purpose in teaching was to liberate living beings from suffering and stress. If we were to worm our way in as parasites on his religion, it would run counter to his compassionate intentions toward us. Each and every one of us aims for what is good, so we should pay heed to whatever factors may lead to release from suffering and stress. Don't let the Buddha's teaching pass by you in vain.

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Vern Stevens » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:22 pm

The answer to your question lies inside you and not in the opinion of others.
“What we think, we become.“ - The Buddha

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby retrofuturist » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:27 pm

Greetings,

The Dhamma is timeless.

:buddha1:

Metta,
Retro. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Coyote » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:17 pm

Playing Devil's advocate here: Although the Dhamma is timeless, what if what the commentaries says is true - that it is not longer possible that someone can attain arhantship at this time? Given the enormous good kamma needed to be born in a time where the Buddha is teaching, why would it not be possible for there to be a cutoff point when it is no longer possible to become enlightened? Unless you want to posit that we have the same tendancies and good kamma as those born at the time of the Buddha. /devilsadvocateover.

The fact is no-one can know, unless they try and fail - and even then it is not wasted energy. So personally, I wouldn't worry about it, given that even those who say arhantship is not possible say that anagami is.
"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Digity » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:44 am

I think the original teachings are intact enough for us to reach Nibbana.
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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby BlackBird » Wed Jun 05, 2013 4:06 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby kirk5a » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:24 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby Coyote » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:31 pm

"If beings knew, as I know, the results of giving & sharing, they would not eat without having given, nor would the stain of miserliness overcome their minds. Even if it were their last bite, their last mouthful, they would not eat without having shared."
Iti 26

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Re: Is it still possible to get enlightened?

Postby acinteyyo » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:54 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.


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