What the Zennies say...?

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What the Zennies say...?

Postby Beautiful Breath » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:29 am

I recently spoke to a Seon nun who suggested that practices like Anapanasati, Jhana and so on can actually exagerate the ego instead of revealing its nature. She recommended practices like Hwadu/Koan in order to directly address the ego.

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Postby Anagarika » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:47 am

Her comment is interesting in that jhana et al are the practices that the Buddha taught as recorded in the early suttas. Seems to me that her tossing aside Buddhavacana (and substituting Tang Dynasty origins koan practice) has a bit of unhealthy ego involved. Attachment to koan practice might be unskillful. I am always a bit surprised that some in Mahayana have little idea what is the teaching (as best as we can understand it from the early texts), and what is not.

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Postby 5heaps » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:02 pm

theres nothing buddhist about jhana. all the meditative nonbuddhist traditions do it also--thats how they realize the eternal self etc, through extremely sophisticated concentrations
what makes jhana a buddhist practice is correct analysis ie. right view
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Postby reflection » Fri Jun 07, 2013 6:12 pm

If a practice is approached from a wrong perspective, it can always turn into a conceit I think. This is just as true for anapanasati as it is for koans. I'd say even the 'basics' such as the five precepts or dana can in a certain way give rise to deceit if practiced incorrectly, for example to generate merit in order to get things in return.

So I think it's all about how we do things, not really what that is exactly. If we do koans in a right way, it'll address the ego. And anapanasati if done correctly also directly addresses the ego. And if it is done correctly, if the path is practiced fully, it'll lead to jhana and according to the suttas the Buddha said not to fear that.

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