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Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:15 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby PadmaPhala » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:34 am

chocolate or icecream.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby PadmaPhala » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:36 am

a marriage among two anagamis, yes.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby manas » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:58 am

I can recall sitting at this table of married men, and we were talking about life and stuff. Anyway I had been single for some time (again), and I said to them "you guys are all lucky, you have a woman in your life. I am sexually frustrated, I'm not getting any at all" to which they replied almost in unison, "Neither are we!"

I think marriage could be a happy long-term situation, if both parties were really good friends, were capable of a bit of detachment from sense desires, and were of course on the same life path. Otherwise, I mostly see frustration (or boredom as was mentioned above) in alot of married folks I know. Not much 'Nibbana'. lol

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby Mr Man » Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:55 am

The reason for the institution that is marriage is not Nibbana.

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meh, taking the Black.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:53 am

I think a lot of respondents to this thread are being overly pedantic.
And that is my fault as I did not explain that the material in my OP is from a Sri Lankan friend whose first language is not English.
So, reading the spirit of the original message is "Is marriage conducive to wholesome factors that assist in walking on the path?"
Perhaps we'll have a bit less pedantry and persiflage.
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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby Gaoxing » Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:21 pm

Sorry Ben. I suppose I'm too unskillful for marriage.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby retrofuturist » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:34 am

Greetings,

I disagree with most of the logic and reasons provided in the OP.

As I see it, everyone (excluding arahants) experiences life as a sentient being subject to paticcasamuppada, and the life of a bhikkhu(ni) is the one the Buddha praised as most efficacious for the attainment of nibbana, and overcoming that arising.

That said, we're all in the same boat, lay or ordained, and whilst monastic circumstances might provide the more ideal environment for progress, there's doubtlessly pros and cons to each approach, and certain personality types that will find one mode of existence more authentic and true to their own sense of what is right, true and beneficial. Much of the path is about Right Intention and Right Effort, and whichever mode of living prompts these factors has certainly got something going for it.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:11 am

Hi Ben

Here's my 2c:

It can be skillful, or it can not be. It's a tool, like anything, it's more about how you use it than any intrinsic negatives or positives. They say motherhood is the fast track to Heaven. Well, the same I think could be said of a loving and caring relationship, where the partners care for each other and act upon wholesome feelings of metta and karuna.

Like anything, you can treat it as a kammathana - a working ground. It is a chance to perform skillful deeds that could make your quest to realize nibbana easier. Not to say that I'm suggesting all those who are seeking nibbana should go off and get hitched ;)

Life is what you make it.

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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?

Postby PadmaPhala » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:16 am

it takes courage to be an urban buddhist monk.

5 precepts + 0 precept (ahimsa) replacing the whole of vinaya pitaka.


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