The Benefits & Drawbacks of Pali

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Re: The Problem With Pali

Postby chownah » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:01 am

The problem with Pali is that there is no Rosetta Stone...and there is no body of literature about enough diverse topics to clearly establish typical word usage. Couple these two and also considering that many of the concepts that Buddhists want to extract from the Pali are difficult to discuss even between two people highly educated in the same language....then I think that the "problem with Pali" becomes apparent.
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"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The Problem With Pali

Postby chownah » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:12 pm

I think that it is possible to discuss the adequacy of the body of Pali literature without reading all of it in Pali....or in fact of reading any of it. A rich literary heritage comes from a literature created by people with diverse backgrounds and diverse philosophies reflecting a variety of often conflicting views. For example look at English literature and the incredible variety of people who have contributed to it....then look at Pali literature and see how virtually every author was a Buddhist monk and not just any Buddhist monk but a Buddhist monk from a very restricted region when compared to the much wider dispersion of Buddhism in general......or am I wrong about this?
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Re: The Problem With Pali

Postby chownah » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:06 pm

binocular,
You're assessment is correct to a degree. The comment I made is one way to indicate a likely shortcoming in Pali which can be discussed without being a Pali scholar as opposed to not being able to discuss it at all unless one is well read across the entire body of Pali literature which seems to be Kare's view....and my concerns are not specifically what you describe but what you describe might be considered to be a specific case of a more general idea....to me there seems to be a very narrow body of Pali literature for many reasons (including what you have mentioned) and one of these is the narrowness of authorship. Another concern is whether one person or a small number of people exerted too much influence on the language or it's transmission...Buddhagossa comes to mind. If memory serves me correctly it seems that some king long ago wanted to sponsor a translation of the Pali into some more modern language and he found Buddhagossa and asked him to translate one text to see how it went......the king liked what Buddhagossa did so he gave him the job of translating it all. Seems to me that we are at the whim of Buddhagossa to a great extent and of course who knows whether Buddhagossa had to make politically correct adjustments to please the king. I'm no scholar on this area but this does raise questions about undo influence on the part of two historic figures.

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