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Is marriage a path to Nibbana?
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Learn this from the waters:
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- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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In Asia, there are many stories about buddhist bachelor finding wife(mostly ladies from poor rural community) simply for the purpose of having someone to take care of their business and household so they themselves can devout their time more on practicing the dhamma.
My first impression to this is it will be quite unfair for their spouses. And the response i got is "as long as they treat their wife good, all is good".
Though a little off topic i like to know what you guys think about this.
My first impression to this is it will be quite unfair for their spouses. And the response i got is "as long as they treat their wife good, all is good".
Though a little off topic i like to know what you guys think about this.
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Re: Is marriage a path to Nibbana?
A wife (or husband) should be an equal partner, not a servant. However, if it is understood and agreed from the beginning that the spouse will be taking care of the business and be able to earn a decent income and taken out of poverty, while the other spouse is devoted to Dhamma activities, I suppose that would not be so bad (not like he is going off to another woman).barcsimalsi wrote: Though a little off topic i like to know what you guys think about this.
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Did the Buddha ever espouse marriage as a path to Nibbana? If so, I'm not aware of it. I think marriage isn't wrong, but it can lead to a great deal of entanglement and takes ones time away from practicing meditation, etc. That's why I chose not to ever get married.
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perfect marriage?Ben wrote:What if she is?PadmaPhala wrote:what if she isn't on the boat/stream?
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I find such an arrangement quite acceptable.barcsimalsi wrote:In Asia, there are many stories about buddhist bachelor finding wife(mostly ladies from poor rural community) simply for the purpose of having someone to take care of their business and household so they themselves can devout their time more on practicing the dhamma.
My first impression to this is it will be quite unfair for their spouses. And the response i got is "as long as they treat their wife good, all is good".
Though a little off topic i like to know what you guys think about this.
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i was married 'officially'' for a decade, and now I have been seperated for 2 years after that. So, my thoughts and experience:
I think maybe, marriage and family is really the true proving ground for the realization of Anatta. Although I respect the Buddha and the Sangha immensely for the teachings, I would have be even much more convinced if these people had been able to achieve arahant status within the confines of a relationship to spouse and family . Because, I know from being on retreat in monastic settings that it's easy to become saturated with the Dhamma away from 'real' life..but what happens when we enter into 'real' life and how do we apply and understand the Dhamma there?
The monastic setting, does not have the interpersonal challenges equal to those in marriage and family life, where people are confronting you, in a big way, constantly with worldly concerns, day after day and moment after moment. I am maybe devout in my admiration of the Buddha doing prostrations and everything else due to trust, honor and repect. But, the Buddha always asked people to question his Dhamma. I wonder, whether the Buddha could have maintained his composure, by returning to the family life after his enlightenment. Living in that life, versus the controlled monastic environment is 2 different things.
People often ask, how would the Buddha react if he was stuck living working in McDonald's with some trash life, and trash wife, and I do wonder about whether an arahant, or even a Buddha stay in that life without aversion to run from Mc D's to the monastery? Would he stay there in McDonald's without aversion, living with your crappy job and crappy family? There is no space between these, so one might ask about these questions.The cashier at McDonald's might be an arahant, and we don't know it. Instead we go and and study with monastics that live in a nice controlled and insulated life, free from the world. So...who understands the Dhamma better, the monastic who is esteemed and living in seclusion training in Buddhist teachings his whole life, or the McDonald's cook who has been passing through the fires his whole life, married to some crazy women and having some crazy children, to realize the Dhamma first-hand? And no, I don't work at Mc Donalds like the example and am an engineer but realize it's the same thing......married people have a much crazier life and much more tribulation than monastics and I wonder if arahants could really survive in this environment if they were forced into it.
I think maybe, marriage and family is really the true proving ground for the realization of Anatta. Although I respect the Buddha and the Sangha immensely for the teachings, I would have be even much more convinced if these people had been able to achieve arahant status within the confines of a relationship to spouse and family . Because, I know from being on retreat in monastic settings that it's easy to become saturated with the Dhamma away from 'real' life..but what happens when we enter into 'real' life and how do we apply and understand the Dhamma there?
The monastic setting, does not have the interpersonal challenges equal to those in marriage and family life, where people are confronting you, in a big way, constantly with worldly concerns, day after day and moment after moment. I am maybe devout in my admiration of the Buddha doing prostrations and everything else due to trust, honor and repect. But, the Buddha always asked people to question his Dhamma. I wonder, whether the Buddha could have maintained his composure, by returning to the family life after his enlightenment. Living in that life, versus the controlled monastic environment is 2 different things.
People often ask, how would the Buddha react if he was stuck living working in McDonald's with some trash life, and trash wife, and I do wonder about whether an arahant, or even a Buddha stay in that life without aversion to run from Mc D's to the monastery? Would he stay there in McDonald's without aversion, living with your crappy job and crappy family? There is no space between these, so one might ask about these questions.The cashier at McDonald's might be an arahant, and we don't know it. Instead we go and and study with monastics that live in a nice controlled and insulated life, free from the world. So...who understands the Dhamma better, the monastic who is esteemed and living in seclusion training in Buddhist teachings his whole life, or the McDonald's cook who has been passing through the fires his whole life, married to some crazy women and having some crazy children, to realize the Dhamma first-hand? And no, I don't work at Mc Donalds like the example and am an engineer but realize it's the same thing......married people have a much crazier life and much more tribulation than monastics and I wonder if arahants could really survive in this environment if they were forced into it.
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Buddha Shakyamuni was married to Yasodhara [sp?]... before his renunciation of worldly concerns.
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I wonder why I'm getting the impression that there's not much respect for women here.....and if children are 'crazy' it's possible that it can be a reflection of both their parents and the environment in which they're brought up.nem wrote:....and trash wife....crappy family.... married to some crazy women and having some crazy children.