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"The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:45 am

I've tried reading this account it seems highly biased, almost made up, all you've proven is some monks in the country in Sri Lanka either don't trust or know a lot about western medicine.

By the way, most Therevada monks are not extensively taught or practise meditation, no one meditated for more than 5 minutes at my temple, when I was a monk, and they were very devout people, excessive meditation is more common in the west, meditation is just using your mind, and you can do that standing or sitting. Not that I don't recommend meditation, but not meditating does not make you bad or lazy buddhist, sleeping with students and doing drugs and alcohol, thats more what I think of when I think of bad buddhists.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby BlackBird » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:55 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:15 pm

Agreed. It's clear to me now that there is an undesirable element at work in the monasteries, and the Asian traditions are often moribund, filled with hangers-on and layabouts. It won't improve until the truth gets out.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby pilgrim » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:48 pm

No monastery is perfect, but if one goes about only looking for the imperfections, then any monastery would seem to be a disaster. The accounts of this book appears to me to be written with a malicious intent. It should not be compared with Ven Dhammika's objective critique.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:55 pm

Examples of malicious intent?

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby BlackBird » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:15 pm

It is becoming all too obvious that nobody is willing to evaluate the criticisms presented within the book on any objective basis, but instead willing to chalk it all up to 'nobodies perfect' and 'the books biased' and 'it seems to be written maliciously'

Again, I come back to this point:

That does not discredit the very serious allegations made by the author of the book.

Disregarding the points the author has made on the basis of bias, or that the author (and myself for some odd reason) is merely fault finding, or that it's malicious, does NOT discredit the allegations made. We're not just talking about the odd monks not meditating here nor a monks liking of alternative medicine, we're talking about allegations of widespread parajika incidents. I'm not defending the author and what is a very fiery and negative book, in my eyes there appears to be a heavy negative emotional investment on the part of the author. But I'll say it one final time: That does not discredit the allegations made by the author. There have been plenty of grumpy, angst ridden biased individuals throughout history who have blown whistles, their whistle blowing needs to be evaluated on the content itself, not upon the author's feelings.

If you are going to level a fair criticism of the allegations, and I more than hope somebody does, it needs to be on a logical basis, not a knee-jerk reaction.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:28 pm

It's therefore not a convincing argument, just another opinion based on emotional reactions.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby BlackBird » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:36 pm

I have updated the original post to include my previous post - Emphasis on challenging the allegations themselves rather than the bias/intentions of the author, furthermore I have added that the book itself is vitriolic and highly critical, yet the serious claims leveled against some monks are nevertheless worthy of investigation to ascertain whether there is any truth to the matter.

I know the discussion is a very negative topic, but let's try and keep this civil :)

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby Dan74 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:46 pm

The web is replete with all sorts of "information", not all of it, factual. Before any sensible response can be given, one has to ascertain the facts, otherwise all we do is see what we want to see, or refuse to see what we don't want to see. But we don't even know what is there to be seen, so why proceed further?
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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:51 pm

Huh? Not sure I'm on your wavelength.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby gavesako » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:12 pm

Compare with the recent "scandal" in the Thai Sangha:


Nothing new about monks living it up

Monks living in a cocoon of luxury is not news. Just drop by the dwellings of any elders in the clergy to see how they live. Monks owning or commuting in luxury cars is not news either.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opin ... ving-it-up
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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:17 pm

Excellent reference binocular.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby alan » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Don't get me wrong, I like Thailand. But the monk thing is out of control. Most Thais seem to be unthinking in their devotion. Amulets and rituals, blessings, etc. It's no surprise to see the system corrupted.

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby Dan74 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:41 pm

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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby Dan74 » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:57 pm

Hi Jack. I didn't say that you were spreading slander, I don't know. But you are risking it but putting this out without first ascertaining the facts.
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Re: The Nude Monk's Burning Robes

Postby BlackBird » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:01 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -


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