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To what extent can you trust the voice within?

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To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:36 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby fivebells » Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:48 pm

Which voice in the head? There is no one coherent voice.

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To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby IanAnd » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:20 pm

"The gift of truth exceeds all other gifts" — Dhammapada, v. 354 Craving XXIV

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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby BlackBird » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:20 pm

thought is just thought it arises dependent upon that which determines it, and it ceases when that has ceased. Until we become an ariyan the thoughts are generally motivated by craving. And well, you know what the Buddha has to say about craving ;) Why complicate the matter by reifying the thoughts as a self of some sort?
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Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:22 pm

Well if you're talking about a voice INSIDE your head, that could just be random thoughts or it could be your conscience talking, it would probably be a good idea to follow your conscience, but not before first testing it to see if its rational, for instance if your about to steal an apple and you here a voice saying "don't do that" that would probably be a good voice to listen to. On the other hand even your conscience might not be right all the time, or it might not be your conscience but just a 'voice' so use common sense.

As a person that used to hear voices that seemed to come from Outside my head, like God, Buddha, Tibetan deities etc, this is a really dangerous area, bordering on schitzophrenia. The voices seem to make sense up to a point, you're sure they aren't leading you wrong, until bingo, they're getting you in all kinds of trouble and leading you to do crazy things, and believe crazy things. Do I think its possible to have telepathic contact with deities and spirits, yes, would I recommend it, no, if you hear the voices anyway, take them with a grain of salt, unless you're absolutely sure they are pure good, OK, but if theres any doubt at all its better to ignore them.

When I was in my 20s I heard voices telling me I was going to be a buddha, I was almost totally convinced, I started writing down what the voices said, even channeled Gautama buddha, long story short, I hear virtually no voices today, and as to being a buddha, I definetly haven't lived up to the voices expectations!

However I can say on the whole the voices encouraged me to be a better person, and study more, but as soon as the voices became unbalanced; 5150 locked up in the Psych ward, very unpleasant, not at all something you would want to go through.

For me the solution was twofold, add Lithium to my anti psychotic medication, and for five years now, quit smoking pot and drinking; sobriety is the strongest medication for mania, psychotic type illnesses, many of which wouldn't have existed in the first place if drugs weren't involved.

For me it started with some bad LSD, terrible terrible risk to be taking stuff like that, you have no idea what drug you are taking, over 100 different drugs are sold on the street as LSD, only one of them is actually LSD. I actually took some poison mushrooms from some hippies that hated punks, instead of psylocibin they gave me Amanita Masacrita???? the poisoness kind, red with the white dots, could have killed me. Its a real minefield, the drug business. No wonder The Buddha and so many Buddhists consider sobriety to be one of the most important steps on the Buddhist path.

Anyway the reason I bring up drugs is people that try lots of drugs are much more likely to hear voices, and believe in God talking to them, buddha talking to them, not to say that it never happens, but if you need to do heavy drugs to hear something, its probably not a good idea, hope this can be of benefit to someone, sincerely former monk john
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby SDC » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:52 pm

The voice is a verbal representation of mental images which are interpretations of circumstances and thoughts on how to proceed regarding those circumstances. This is the case whether the interpretation be something in the immediate present right in front of you, memories of the past, or speculation about the future. For me this voice can only be trusted when it is in line with the dhamma however due to the nature of my common thinking that is not always the case. It is dynamic, flows with emotional state so it is easily corrupted and cannot be trusted as an end all be all of reason and goodness (accept for the arahant of course). When I am excited for whatever reason the voice is looking to take action to eliminate that excitement and this could mean doing something bad; but if I take the time to think and reason out the voice becomes more and more calm and reasonable and more in line with the dhamma.

Hope this was helpful.

Good question. :smile:

EDIT - Sarcasm/rudeness that seemed funny 10 minutes ago.
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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby BlackBird » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:20 pm

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:05 pm

18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/

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Postby Spiny Norman » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:55 am

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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby kirk5a » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:05 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:24 pm

:goodpost:

straight to the point, sadhu!
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Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: To what extent can you trust the voice within?

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:24 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:41 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:46 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:49 pm

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Postby Kamran » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:48 pm

"Silence gives answers"

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