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Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

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Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby fivebells » Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:59 pm

According to , once-returners are characterized by attenuation of sensuality and ill-will. It's not specific on what the level of attenuation is.

Is it that a once-returner has recognized that sensuality and ill-will are the central problems which can be addressed by the malleability of mind afforded by stream-entry, and has committed to eradicating them, at which point they are non-returners? Much like a stream-entrant has rejected self-view but still experiences becoming and birth, and becomes an arahant when that is eradicated?

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Re: Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby cooran » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:36 am

Please read these three pages - it will help to clarify:

Qualities of Ariya Persons
http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/ariyas4.htm

Ariyas Noble Persons
http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/mtinmon4.htm

From Puttajhana to Buddha
http://www.thisismyanmar.com/nibbana/ariyacht.htm

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Re: Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 24, 2013 12:41 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby fivebells » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:09 am

retrofuturist: Thanks, that's an interesting idea.

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Re: Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby lyndon taylor » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:40 am

I don't think you'll know for sure if you're a non returner till you don't return, It seems to me these criteria are rough estimations not intended to be taken literally all the time.
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Re: Criteria for once-returner and non-returner

Postby IanAnd » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:12 am

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