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Advaitin vs. Buddhist takes on awareness/reality

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Advaitin vs. Buddhist takes on awareness/reality

Postby rachmiel » Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:15 pm

In Advaita Vedanta, pure awareness (brahman) is considered to be the ultimate, unchanging, eternal substrate of reality.

In Buddhism, consciousness (vijnana) is considered to be one of the five skandhas, thus empty of independent existence.

My questions:

Are Advaita and Buddhism talking about the same thing here -- i.e. does pure awareness = vijnana -- but interpreting this thing radically differently?

Is there a Buddhist equivalent to Advaita's pure awareness / brahman? Is there any ultimate substrate/reality in Buddhism? Or does Buddhism see "what is" as just a buncha ever-changing impermanent stuff in a grand web of inter-dependence?

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Postby ancientbuddhism » Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:38 pm

Because Advaita Vedānta is later development than contemporary to the Buddha, there is no reason to compare it to the Nikāyan period.

However, there is no equivalent to the Brahman-Absolute of the Upaniṣads in the Nikāyas. In fact, the Buddha was very clearly pushing back at the Upaniṣadic Ātman theory throughout his teaching career. The Buddha’s answer to a Brahman-ātman life-force dynamic was to deconstruct the assumptions of continuum with personhood, with the framework dependent origination (paṭiccasamuppāda) of the five bases [subject to] identification (pañcupādānakkhandhā), and reconstruct the aspirant toward liberating knowledge through direct knowledge of conditional sensate and cognitive processes.
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Re: Advaitin vs. Buddhist takes on awareness/reality

Postby rachmiel » Wed Jan 16, 2013 5:00 pm

Thanks, ancientbuddhism.

A followup:

Does Buddhism say "There is no ultimate reality, no brahman" or "It's of no use to speculate about ultimate reality, because it's unknowable." The first shuts out the possibility of brahman, the second doesn't.
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Postby ancientbuddhism » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:10 pm

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Postby huanvuong » Tue Jun 25, 2013 5:31 pm

Actually no matter whether it is Buddhism or Advaita Vedanta, both systems talk about the same. In Buddhism we talk about consciousness, but we also talk about awareness. Pure awareness in Buddhism is called Buddha nature. It is said that every living being has Buddha nature. This nature is Pure Awareness, and nothing else is beyond it. It has never been born, will never die and no one can ever hurt or harm it. It is everlasting, it is empty of all conceptual existence and witnessing everything that goes by without becoming an object or subject to the world of phenomena or change.

Consciousness contrary is not awareness, it is only an outwardly just a manifestation of awareness. This manifestation has its cause in ignorance and false view. It exists wherever duality exists. Actually it is the creator of dualistic world, the world of concept, of black and white, of you and me...etc. It is the filter of separation.

So in Buddhism the concept of consciousness is somewhat defined differently than what normal people used to understand what consciousness is.

Actually if we read closely at the sutra with some meditative insight, we'll discover that Buddha had never reject the understanding of Brahman as pure consciousness or Atman as the individual mindfulness. The only rejection Buddha wanted to point out was the conceptual understanding and grasping at the experience Truth. Most people miss that point when they read the Words of Buddha. Buddha's only purpose and goal was to cut through all conceptual understanding and labeling at things. This was the point of the Buddha's Essential Teaching.

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In practice there is no Buddha-nature to be found, neither a self (atman). Superman is a story. :oops:


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