Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?
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Haha the future of humanity is at stake, by gawd, we better stop those gays from having civil rights or we're done for!
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?
BlackBird wrote:Haha the future of humanity is at stake, by gawd, we better stop those gays from having civil rights or we're done for!
I know right lol
As if legalising gay marriage suddenly would make everyone gay ...
It's the same argument that thatcher used to stop schools teaching about homosexuality in schools
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This is one of those things that is so obvious that it isn't (intelligently) debateable. The only reason for it not being legal is that people who are against it, are afraid of having homosexual inclinations. It's as simple as that.
Portugal has legalized gay marriage and "coadoption". No destruction of our country by god yet...
Portugal has legalized gay marriage and "coadoption". No destruction of our country by god yet...
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Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?
Definately a good thing !clw_uk wrote:Just interested what members here thing about gay marriage?
A good thing? A bad thing?
My opinion is its a progressive step
One of the most faithful,loving couples I ever knew were two gay men (sadly one of them died unexpectedly from a massive heart attack recently) and they should have been able to have had the same legalities as a heterosexual married couple.
Re: Gay Marriage - Yay or Nay?
Yay! I say, let them have the ball and chain, if they want it!
I've always wondered why conservatives don't embrace gay marriage, since marriage is a conservative institution and gay people are a large segment of society. More membership of the marriage club, more kudos!
On the other hand, I think celebrity marriage should be banned. Would save hectares of the Amazon and lots of greenhouse gas emissions.
I've always wondered why conservatives don't embrace gay marriage, since marriage is a conservative institution and gay people are a large segment of society. More membership of the marriage club, more kudos!
On the other hand, I think celebrity marriage should be banned. Would save hectares of the Amazon and lots of greenhouse gas emissions.
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I can't imagine how it could be bad thing and am glad that NY recognizes such unions. I think that it gives committed individuals important protections under the law and makes many things much more simple and straightforward (estate planning, end of life decision making, etc.). So, I give it a resounding "Yay"
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I live in the United States, and it never made any sense to me at all that a court could find a constitutional basis to deny a same sex marriage. Our legal history has always placed extreme importance on the right of privacy, and within that right a number of other rights affecting families. We also have an Equal Protection Clause, which disallows treating one recognized class of people differently from another. Our Declaration of Independence, which we celebrate this week, declares that all people have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Yet, because the US has weirdly evolved from a country founded on escaping religious oppression, into a world leader in Christian religious oppression, we still struggle with marriage equality issues. Yesterday, a conservative Christian NGO director was claiming on NPR that children raised by gay parents suffer developmentally. The host of the program cited the APA's and other studies that show that kids thrive in gay families just as well as in straight parent families. The Xtian then stated that he had other studies, but refused to define what studies he was referring to. In other words, he had his reasons to hate and discriminate, but couldn't cite a competent basis for his bias.
It's really significant that in a 5-4 decision, the DOMA was stricken from our law. The 5-4 decision also tells us that the Supreme Court was just one vote away from affirming this country as one of the most deluded on the planet, in terms of mixing fundamentalist religion with politics and law.
Yet, because the US has weirdly evolved from a country founded on escaping religious oppression, into a world leader in Christian religious oppression, we still struggle with marriage equality issues. Yesterday, a conservative Christian NGO director was claiming on NPR that children raised by gay parents suffer developmentally. The host of the program cited the APA's and other studies that show that kids thrive in gay families just as well as in straight parent families. The Xtian then stated that he had other studies, but refused to define what studies he was referring to. In other words, he had his reasons to hate and discriminate, but couldn't cite a competent basis for his bias.
It's really significant that in a 5-4 decision, the DOMA was stricken from our law. The 5-4 decision also tells us that the Supreme Court was just one vote away from affirming this country as one of the most deluded on the planet, in terms of mixing fundamentalist religion with politics and law.
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I would say it should be legally permissible. However, i don't see gay marriage as good or bad as a concept, it really depends on the couple, just as in heterosexual marriages.
I just think the government's role in marriages should be very limited. I realize the government has a role in determining what types of activity are contractable, and they mediate contract disputes, but providing financial incentive to encourage marriage and having children goes too far for my tastes.
I just think the government's role in marriages should be very limited. I realize the government has a role in determining what types of activity are contractable, and they mediate contract disputes, but providing financial incentive to encourage marriage and having children goes too far for my tastes.
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It's a good thing. I write to my legislators and governor all the time asking them to legalize gay marriage. In Nevada we have quickie marriages, some that can even be done by drive-thru, so besides the ethical, equality issues, I mention the economic impact it could have in helping tourism as gay couples will travel here for quick marriages the same way heterosexual couples do that right now.
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Very good thing.
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In an ideal situation IMO, marriage would be a private institution and have nothing to do with the state. But to deny state benefits to same-sex couples while that isn't the case is just wrong.Vern Stevens wrote:
I just think the government's role in marriages should be very limited. I realize the government has a role in determining what types of activity are contractable, and they mediate contract disputes, but providing financial incentive to encourage marriage and having children goes too far for my tastes.
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I think our views are not far apart. However, I do see a legitimate state interest in the sense that a marriage has a legal contractual component to it. I think the state does have an interest in determining which types of contracts are legally allowable. So, IF one agrees that the state has an legitimate interest in contracts, the secondary component is contract resolution and/or enforcement. I know some people hold that these functions could be handled by private institutions, but even if they did, their rules would still have to come under some kind of state guidelines for consistency's sake.Coyote wrote: In an ideal situation IMO, marriage would be a private institution and have nothing to do with the state. But to deny state benefits to same-sex couples while that isn't the case is just wrong.
But yes, I don't see how the state has any interest in saying that this set of consenting adults can marry but this set of consenting adults cannot, when set is based on race, sex, religion, etc. Likewise, I don't think married couples (hetero or homo-sexual) should be rewarded by the state for their marriage and / or having children. Single people shouldn't be "punished" for remaining single.
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