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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby reflection » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:03 am

While I'm all for vegetarianism, those studies only show correlations. It doesn't show it is the diet per se that makes one live longer. Vegetarians in general also smoke and drink less, I think sport more, and in other ways are more conscious about their health.

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby Ben » Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:20 am

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby SarathW » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:30 am

You can prove anything through research!
Just tell me the answer you need.
Having said that, I believe that the balance diet (including meat) and meditation (walking) may/ can extend your life.
I wonder whether I can prove this by a research of the life expectancy of a Buddhist Monk.
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby SarathW » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:14 am

Thanks venerable sir
I got the point.
Longer life is due to just more than the food.
It is not what you got (longer life) but what you do with it (attaining nirvana)
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby SarathW » Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:14 am

Thanks venerable sir
I got the point.
Longer life is due to just more than the food.
It is not what you got (longer life) but what you do with it (attaining nirvana)
:) :meditate:
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby Doshin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:51 am

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Jun 27, 2013 7:59 am

Well being a vegetarian obviously doesn't make you less healthy, one of the biggest pro meat eating arguements I hear is that you have to eat meat for your health and that a vegetarian diet leaves out key nutrients. at least we have evidence that arguement is bogus.

Obviously the Seventh Day Adventist sample group doesn't drink or smoke, however I thought the authors of the study were saying they had compensated for that in the Meat eating group. And I don't know how, but scientists are trying to tell us that some drinking lengthens our life.
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby Doshin » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:37 am

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:59 am

Well then I can assure you that the meat eating Seventh Day Adventists do not drink or smoke either, so that makes the study quite effective, I don't think they would be any less likely to exercise either.SDA are about half vegetarian, half meat eating but they dont eat pork.
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby SarathW » Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:19 am

"But there is the case where a certain woman or man, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from the taking of life, dwelling with rod laid down, knife laid down, scrupulous, merciful, compassionate for the welfare of all living beings. From performing & undertaking such kamma, then on the breakup of the body, after death, this person re-appears in the good destinations, in the heavenly world. Or, if he/she does not reappear... in the heavenly world, but instead returns to the human state, then wherever he/she is reborn, he/she is long-lived. This is the way leading to long life, namely being one who, abandoning the taking of life, abstains from the taking of life..."

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby barcsimalsi » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:25 pm

Long life or short life, rebirth is forcibly free so stop clinging to the old aggregates and enjoy some meat. :jumping:

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby LG2V » Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:00 pm

I believe this to be true. I've had some health problems clear up after switching to a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet. I think it also helps one avoid many of the dangers of intestinal/bodily parasites. That being said, I still haven't found a way to consume a completely vegan diet and maintain adequate energy levels, although I'd like to. Though, in my case the issue is complicated by food allergies.

EDIT: Corrected a typo.
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby alan » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:58 pm

Healthy people live longer. They eat the appropriate amount of meat.
They also lift weights and do yoga. Healthy people make it their business to know what is right for the body--they don't subscribe to any one school of thought, they do what works.

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:24 pm

But the study is comparing healthy people who eat meat, to healthy people that don't, and the ones that don't live some years longer. The SDA church encourages all their members to eat healthily, whether they are vegetarian or not, and that's who the stduy is based on.
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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby daverupa » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:08 pm

The study allowed "vegetarians" to define those who also ate seafood, eggs, and dairy, which I found interesting since many vegetarians argue against those aspects of diet as well.

It seems only the landwalking meats were a problem; get them in egg form or swimming around, and there was no difference between that diet and a strict veggie one.

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:56 pm

Vegetarian by definition can eat eggs and dairy, its vegan that don't. The study did not compare vegetarian to vegan, as I imagine there are too few vegan SDAs to make a study.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:25 pm

I think if you look at the sample size of the different groups, you'll see the prevalence of the different groups among SDAs'

Obviously their combining of four categories like that is not very well thought out.

I still don't think the study compared vegan to vegetarian, but rather lumped them together, in all my experience being raised strict vegetarian SDA in Loma Linda where the study was based, I've never heard of SDA vegans like you do in traditional vegetarian groups, its all based on the teachings of their founder and she never said anything against eating eggs and dairy, as far as I know, so like I said I would predict any study based on SDAs is going to have a very small sample of vegans, and about 50% true lacto ovo vegetarians.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

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Re: Vegetarians live longer

Postby lyndon taylor » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:44 pm

I should point out that SDA teachings have nothing whatsoever to do with reducing suffering for animals, and everything to do with personal health. In fact Loma Linda University Medical Centre has had and has one of the biggest animal experimentation facilities in Southern California, they actually kept Chimps locked up in small cages just so dental students could practise oral surgery, and all their infant heart surgery was practised on sheep, Brain surgery experiments done on stray cats etc etc etc.
18 years ago I made one of the most important decisions of my life and entered a local Cambodian Buddhist Temple as a temple boy and, for only 3 weeks, an actual Therevada Buddhist monk. I am not a scholar, great meditator, or authority on Buddhism, but Buddhism is something I love from the Bottom of my heart. It has taught me sobriety, morality, peace, and very importantly that my suffering is optional, and doesn't have to run my life. I hope to give back what little I can to the Buddhist community, sincerely former monk John

http://trickleupeconomictheory.blogspot.com/


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