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Monks in private jets pass test

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Postby gavesako » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:48 am

More details are emerging:

Jet-setter monk accused of sex with under-age girl
Charges of statutory rape could bring 20-year jail sentence
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/358687/jet-set-monk-faces-rape-charges

If this is used as evidence against LP Nenkham (they will do DNA tests now) then he could be probably extradited from France back to Thailand to face the charges there.
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Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:05 am

My god that's sick. He's been parajika for a long time now it would seem. Having sex with a 14 year old girl, and forcing her to have a child by him, that's so wrong. Sham monk in robes. I wonder how many other defeated monks there are in cahoots with him.
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Postby gavesako » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:32 am

We should bear in mind that there are about 300 thousand monks in Thailand (more or less, it fluctuates a lot during the Vassa due to temporary ordinations). Many of them will not stay long-term in the robes, they might just be doing a short stint as part of family tradition or for other reasons. Some might have ordained simply 'in search of a livelihood' without any spiritual aspirations whatsoever. Remember that there is hardly any social security network in Thailand, so older men without family support often become monks (and are notoriously hard to train). Naturally, without proper training, which is hard to come by in most monasteries these days, they will carry their old habits and defilements with them into the monk's life and will simply try get away with them as much as they can. So all kinds of misconduct by monks is reported daily in Thai media.

However, in a case such as this one involving a well-known popular monk, it becomes obvious that the whole structure of the Thai Sangha is unable to cope with the challenges and that the administrative structure (which has hardly changed for the last 100 years) needs a major overhaul. These are big topics and they are being discussed by Thai academics, but there is little political will (yes, it is a question of politics) to bring about a radical change. In the past, it was the king such as Rama VI who could do so, but nowadays various other parties are involved as well and the Thai Sangha is divided into factions who might be trying to get more influence (such as Dhammakaya).

Because of the media reporting, also, things might seem very bad, but has anyone produced a statistic yet showing the numbers of 'bad monks' as opposed to 'good monks'?
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Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:39 am

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Postby Mr Man » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:43 pm

It's rather difficult to constitute what is a "good" monk and what is a "bad" monk in somewhere like Thailand where Buddhism is very much a living religion and most probably very far from what we perceive Buddhism should be.

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Things continue this way... in 100 years or so, Buddhism's survival may depend much much more on the West.

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Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:21 am

Apparently this "monk" also has a wife and 7 other women and can walk on water. Wonder why he needed the jet?

See:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... doEzW1sB0M
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Postby suriyopama » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:11 am

One of his "wives" is demanding a DNA paternity test for her 11 years old son. She needs money for his education, but she never received any help from the father.

New issues are being discovered so fast that the authorities can not cope with it.
This thread is pointing links to the latest developments on the local press:


I like this picture. What kind of monks would you give more respect?
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Postby gavesako » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:18 am

This picture is not related to this particular case (LP Nenkham) but it shows two different groups of 'tudong monks': on the right are the old-style wandering monks who will typically walk through the countryside without prior arrangements, on the left are the new-style and well-organized Dhammakaya sect monks walking through the streets of Bangkok on a pre-arranged 'show tudong'. The caption points to the fact that what they are walking on is different: in the case of Dhammakaya, laypeople have been instructed to spread a path of rose petals for the monks to walk on!
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Postby Bankei » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:38 am

In an article today they mentioned DNA tests had been done using the DNA of Mr Nenkham's parents and the results should be out tomorrow - 10th.

And what is the story behing this monk with his foot on the table - photo was linked above
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... criticised


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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:34 am

Here is the latest development of the LP Nenkham case as reported in Thai press:

http://bangkokpost.com/news/local/35893 ... frock-monk

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 09997.html


The monk with his foot on the table is the controversial and eccentric LP Kasem who combines two approaches: accepting only the Tipitaka books and quoting them as the real teachings of the Buddha, and at the same time acting as a 'crazy wisdom' Zen master challenging people with outrageous behaviour (by Thai standards) such as throwing Buddha statues on the floor because they are not the real Buddha and so on. This will hardly convince the majority of the Thai Buddhists to study the Suttas more.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Raksha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:01 pm

The Thai media is full of monk scandals at the moment, but what really cuts me is the murder of ecology monks (phra nak anuraksa) by the Thai military who resent their obstruction of illegal logging. These reports almost never appear in the Thai media due to censorship. I'm told that the preferred method is to discharge a violent schizophrenic from hospital, drug them and arm them with a machete, then push them into the forest monk's kuti!!! To my mind, all other Thai corruption scandals pale in comparison with these crimes.
Anyway, on a slightly lighter note, here is the most infamous of the current 'monk scandal' videos...
(Apart from anything else the abbot paid just $12)


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