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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby suriyopama » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:05 am

This is very worrying:

DSI Pol Lt-Colonel Phongin Intharakhao said a woman had also made rape allegations against the monk in December 2010.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/List-of-monks-assets-mounts-30209839.html

A rape in 2010!!! And they never investigated that??? The police is only interested in the case when they find that he moved money abroad! :weep:
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Sun Jul 07, 2013 10:48 am

More details are emerging:

Jet-setter monk accused of sex with under-age girl
Charges of statutory rape could bring 20-year jail sentence
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/358687/jet-set-monk-faces-rape-charges

If this is used as evidence against LP Nenkham (they will do DNA tests now) then he could be probably extradited from France back to Thailand to face the charges there.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:05 am

My god that's sick. He's been parajika for a long time now it would seem. Having sex with a 14 year old girl, and forcing her to have a child by him, that's so wrong. Sham monk in robes. I wonder how many other defeated monks there are in cahoots with him.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:32 am

We should bear in mind that there are about 300 thousand monks in Thailand (more or less, it fluctuates a lot during the Vassa due to temporary ordinations). Many of them will not stay long-term in the robes, they might just be doing a short stint as part of family tradition or for other reasons. Some might have ordained simply 'in search of a livelihood' without any spiritual aspirations whatsoever. Remember that there is hardly any social security network in Thailand, so older men without family support often become monks (and are notoriously hard to train). Naturally, without proper training, which is hard to come by in most monasteries these days, they will carry their old habits and defilements with them into the monk's life and will simply try get away with them as much as they can. So all kinds of misconduct by monks is reported daily in Thai media.

However, in a case such as this one involving a well-known popular monk, it becomes obvious that the whole structure of the Thai Sangha is unable to cope with the challenges and that the administrative structure (which has hardly changed for the last 100 years) needs a major overhaul. These are big topics and they are being discussed by Thai academics, but there is little political will (yes, it is a question of politics) to bring about a radical change. In the past, it was the king such as Rama VI who could do so, but nowadays various other parties are involved as well and the Thai Sangha is divided into factions who might be trying to get more influence (such as Dhammakaya).

Because of the media reporting, also, things might seem very bad, but has anyone produced a statistic yet showing the numbers of 'bad monks' as opposed to 'good monks'?
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Sekha » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:35 am

BlackBird wrote:Sham monk in robes. I wonder how many other defeated monks there are in cahoots with him.

Probably a very large number. And not only monks. They are still supported by lay followers who know very well all this is happening. It's not that people lose their faith. They never had it.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:39 am

gavesako wrote:Because of the media reporting, also, things might seem very bad, but has anyone produced a statistic yet showing the numbers of 'bad monks' as opposed to 'good monks'?


I don't think anyone's arguing there aren't a lot of good monks out there Bhante. Although I guess what you're saying is that we shouldn't lose sight of that right? If so that's very true, we shouldn't.

You're right about there needing to be an overhaul in the bureaucracy, it's long overdue.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Mr Man » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:43 pm

It's rather difficult to constitute what is a "good" monk and what is a "bad" monk in somewhere like Thailand where Buddhism is very much a living religion and most probably very far from what we perceive Buddhism should be.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby suriyopama » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:21 pm

gavesako wrote:We should bear in mind that there are about 300 thousand monks in Thailand (more or less, it fluctuates a lot during the Vassa due to temporary ordinations). Many of them will not stay long-term in the robes, they might just be doing a short stint as part of family tradition or for other reasons. Some might have ordained simply 'in search of a livelihood' without any spiritual aspirations whatsoever. Remember that there is hardly any social security network in Thailand, so older men without family support often become monks (and are notoriously hard to train). Naturally, without proper training, which is hard to come by in most monasteries these days, they will carry their old habits and defilements with them into the monk's life and will simply try get away with them as much as they can. So all kinds of misconduct by monks is reported daily in Thai media.

However, in a case such as this one involving a well-known popular monk, it becomes obvious that the whole structure of the Thai Sangha is unable to cope with the challenges and that the administrative structure (which has hardly changed for the last 100 years) needs a major overhaul. These are big topics and they are being discussed by Thai academics, but there is little political will (yes, it is a question of politics) to bring about a radical change. In the past, it was the king such as Rama VI who could do so, but nowadays various other parties are involved as well and the Thai Sangha is divided into factions who might be trying to get more influence (such as Dhammakaya).

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Many people, including the Police, knew that this man (let´s not call him a monk anymore) was having sex with a minor and making misuse of money, but nobody did ever do anything. Even when it started to be uncovered, some high-rank monks and important lay-followers were protecting him and threating the whistle-blowers.

We have to thank whistle-blowing and pressure through Social Media. Otherwise it would have never been uncovered.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby iforgotmyname » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:02 pm

Things continue this way... in 100 years or so, Buddhism's survival may depend much much more on the West.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby David N. Snyder » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:21 am

Apparently this "monk" also has a wife and 7 other women and can walk on water. Wonder why he needed the jet?

See:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... doEzW1sB0M
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby BlackBird » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:25 am

David N. Snyder wrote:Apparently this "monk" also has a wife and 7 other women and can walk on water. Wonder why he needed the jet?

See:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... doEzW1sB0M


Not only 7 wives, but he knocked up some 14 year old girl and now they have an 11 year old son together. That shows you the length of his parajika.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby suriyopama » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:11 am

One of his "wives" is demanding a DNA paternity test for her 11 years old son. She needs money for his education, but she never received any help from the father.

New issues are being discovered so fast that the authorities can not cope with it.
This thread is pointing links to the latest developments on the local press:
http://2bangkok.com/forum/showthread.php?1784-Thammakai-investigation/page11

I like this picture. What kind of monks would you give more respect?
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby nekete » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:54 am

suriyopama wrote:One of his "wives" is demanding a DNA paternity test for her 11 years old son. She needs money for his education, but she never received any help from the father.

New issues are being discovered so fast that the authorities can not cope with it.
This thread is pointing links to the latest developments on the local press:
http://2bangkok.com/forum/showthread.php?1784-Thammakai-investigation/page11

I like this picture. What kind of monks would you give more respect?
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What does the text on the pictures says?
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Mr Man » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:14 am

nekete wrote:
What does the text on the pictures says?


Something like "the same but different"
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:18 am

This picture is not related to this particular case (LP Nenkham) but it shows two different groups of 'tudong monks': on the right are the old-style wandering monks who will typically walk through the countryside without prior arrangements, on the left are the new-style and well-organized Dhammakaya sect monks walking through the streets of Bangkok on a pre-arranged 'show tudong'. The caption points to the fact that what they are walking on is different: in the case of Dhammakaya, laypeople have been instructed to spread a path of rose petals for the monks to walk on!
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:39 am

David N. Snyder wrote:Apparently this "monk" also has a wife and 7 other women and can walk on water. Wonder why he needed the jet?


As more and more details about LP Nenkham's misbehaviour are emerging, I can only agree with this comment on Bangkok Post:

It is obvious that many people knew about what was going on, yet nobody bothered to report him. This is Thailand: "Never mess with anybody with wealth and power, don't ever ask where the money comes from. Show respect and stay as close as you can, as the loyal ones will be rewarded...."


It is also clear that LP Nenkham was depositing some of the money in US dollars and gold bars (donated for the Biggest Ever Emerald Buddha project) offshore, probably preparing for the case that he will eventually have to leave Thailand:


Pilot lifts lid on monk's depravity
Luang Pu Nen Kham: His secret life of debauchery


The hidden life of super luxury led by embattled monk Phra Wirapol Sukphol, better known as Luang Pu Nen Kham Chattiko, has been exposed by a pilot who used to find private jet rentals for the holy man.
A message, claimed to be written by Bangkok Aviation Centre founder and CEO Piya Tregalnon, revealing the jet-setting monk's unusual wealth has been shared widely on social networks.
Wing Commander Piya Sunday confirmed he posted the message on his Facebook page.
"I have been wondering for three years why the monk has such large amounts of money and assets. He is not even a very famous monk," he said.
"When he came into the spotlight, I decide to speak out as I think his wealth is suspicious."
The Facebook post dates back three years ago, when Wg Cdr Piya was asked to find a seven-seat private jet for the monk to travel back and forth between Bangkok and Ubon Ratchathani.
The monk always paid in cash — about 300,000 baht for each rental, Wg Cdr Piya said.
The monk also showed interest in buying his own private jet, which can cost 500-700 million baht for a new plane and at least 100 million baht for a second-hand craft.
The monk often travelled in a super luxury Maybach-brand car and boasted that he had a Mercedes-Benz S500, a BMW X6 and a Mini Cooper just for driving inside the temple compound. He also claimed to have a yacht, Wg Cdr Piya said.
The monk also showed bundles of US$100 (3,129 baht) banknotes fully packed in his kitbag and claimed he also had gold bars inside, he said.
He showed two chequebooks of US banks with his name printed on every cheque.
The monk said he could withdraw more than $10 million for each cheque because he had a lot of money deposited in the banks, Wg Cdr Piya said.
He said he distanced himself from Luang Pu Nen Kham after the monk asked him to buy a private jet in the US. The monk also used to ask the pilot to carry his kitbag when he passed immigration checkpoints.
"I am not afraid of being charged at all after revealing this issue. I wrote what I had seen with my own eyes. I do not want to see a person who exploited Buddhists' faith to obtain money to remain at large," the pilot said.
Meanwhile, a former close aide of Phra Wirapol told the Department of Special Investigation Sunday the monk had drunk alcohol, taken illicit drugs and had sex with many teenage girls.
Pol Lt Col Pong-in Intarakhao, chief of the agency's Security Crime Bureau, Sunday led a team of DSI investigators to interrogate witnesses in Si Sa Ket province.
One of the witnesses, who was a former close aide of the monk, told the DSI the monk had brought his luxury cars to be repaired at his garage in Ubon Ratchathani.
The monk also used the garage as a venue for drinking alcohol, viewing porn videos, taking drugs, and having sexual affairs with many young women, Pol Lt Col Pong-in said after interrogating the 56-year-old witness for about one hour.
The monk is under investigation by the DSI for allegedly having intimate relationships with several women, with one of them claiming he had fathered her child.
The Crime Suppression Division (CSD) will ask the Office of the Narcotics Control Board (ONCB) to investigate the sources of money and assets belonging to the monk.
The division will tomorrow share information regarding the monk's finances with the ONCB secretary-general, deputy CSD chief Prasopchok Prommul said.
Pol Col Prasopchok Sunday led a team of CSD police to search the house of the monk's parents in Ubon Ratchathani's Phibun Mangsahan district.
However, Rath Sukphol and his wife Sudjai, the monk's parents, did not allow the search. A source said the house was worth about 100 million baht.
The CSD team later went to search the monk's Santitham Baramee monastery, covering 28 rai in the same district. but could not enter as the gate was locked.
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... e-revealed


The photo in the article says it all...
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And the following article uncovers the deeper roots of the corruption and the reasons why some powerful figures have been protecting LP Nenkham:


Jet-setting monk flies into turbulence

As Luang Pu Nen Kham postpones his return from France indefinitely, his followers are desperately trying to defend him from mounting accusations of money laundering, fraud and sexual misconduct
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/358718
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby tiltbillings » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:55 am

gavesako wrote: The photo in the article says it all...

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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Bankei » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:38 am

In an article today they mentioned DNA tests had been done using the DNA of Mr Nenkham's parents and the results should be out tomorrow - 10th.

And what is the story behing this monk with his foot on the table - photo was linked above
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/3 ... criticised


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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby gavesako » Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:34 am

Here is the latest development of the LP Nenkham case as reported in Thai press:

http://bangkokpost.com/news/local/35893 ... frock-monk

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/nationa ... 09997.html


The monk with his foot on the table is the controversial and eccentric LP Kasem who combines two approaches: accepting only the Tipitaka books and quoting them as the real teachings of the Buddha, and at the same time acting as a 'crazy wisdom' Zen master challenging people with outrageous behaviour (by Thai standards) such as throwing Buddha statues on the floor because they are not the real Buddha and so on. This will hardly convince the majority of the Thai Buddhists to study the Suttas more.
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Re: Monks in private jets pass test

Postby Raksha » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:01 pm

The Thai media is full of monk scandals at the moment, but what really cuts me is the murder of ecology monks (phra nak anuraksa) by the Thai military who resent their obstruction of illegal logging. These reports almost never appear in the Thai media due to censorship. I'm told that the preferred method is to discharge a violent schizophrenic from hospital, drug them and arm them with a machete, then push them into the forest monk's kuti!!! To my mind, all other Thai corruption scandals pale in comparison with these crimes.
Anyway, on a slightly lighter note, here is the most infamous of the current 'monk scandal' videos...
(Apart from anything else the abbot paid just $12)
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