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akaliko -timeless

Postby pilgrim » Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:56 am

Dhamma is described as "akaliko" which is translated as timeless but i've read 2 different meanings
1. immediatly effective
2. true in all three times (past, present and future)

Which is correct?

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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby BlackBird » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:05 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby cooran » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:08 am

Hello pilgrim,

Hope this helps:

From Great Virtues of the Dhamma by Ven. K. Sri Dhammananda

(3) Akaliko
Akaliko implied that the beneficial effects to be derived from the practice of the Dhamma would not be delayed. The Dhamma, despite the length of time that has elapsed since its pronouncement, remains ever fresh and unchallenged. It runs parallel even with the latest scientific thought. If there is truth, that truth can never become old. Dhamma is that Truth which cannot grow old with age since it depicts the reality underlying all phenomenal existence in Samsara. Briefly, the Dhamma states that the world is unsatisfactory and that greed happens to be the inevitable cause of this state of affairs. The remedy for this unsatisfactoriness is the eradication of greed to be achieved through the practice of eight skilful factors known as the noble Eightfold Path.
http://www.purifymind.com/Introduction.htm

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---Worry is the Interest, paid in advance, on a debt you may never owe---
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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby kirk5a » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:29 pm

Ever heard a really big bell? It doesn't just have a single tone actually. It resonates on several levels.
"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby piotr » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:41 pm

I think we should also contemplate what the term ‘dhamma’ refers to in this context. This may sort out some puzzles.
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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby piotr » Mon Mar 07, 2011 7:00 am

Hi,

BTW There's interesting article on this by Johannes Bronkhorst: http://my.unil.ch/serval/document/BIB_74F9A3157D8D.pdf

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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby gavesako » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:31 pm

Something related in this article:

"The dhamma which is described as "sandiṭṭhika akālika ehipassika" is, I think, nibbāna itself, which contrary to, for example, Jain belief is attainable in this life not only after death. So I believe that akālika has nothing to do with workings of paṭiccasamuppāda but describes nature of Buddhist goal."

http://jayarava.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/timeless.html
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Re: akaliko -timeless

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Re: akaliko -timeless

Postby nyanasuci » Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:11 am

If we want to understand pañca(upādāna)khandhā we need to recognize it in every experience. But since we do experience time and have sense of time, I cannot see why the Dhamma, i.e. the full understanding of it, should be as the second after time. Therefore Dhamma is akalika, t.i. dhammas, which are explained by the Buddha, are the factors of the structure of our experience. And since p.s. is also part of experience, p.s. becomes akalika too.

A bit about it can be found also at http://pathpress.wordpress.com/2013/03/ ... n-an-1-51/
and http://pathpress.wordpress.com/2010/12/ ... h-applies/
and of course this topic is explained in Ven. Nanavira's writings but I am sure you know where to look at.

Anyway, as usual, it will be confirmed by all the same people and rejected by the other. But my main point is here: don't take it as a easy matter.
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The experts do not say that one is a sage in this world because of view, or learning, or knowledge, Nanda.
I call them sages who wander without association, without affliction, without desire.

The Buddha, Sn.V.8.2 (1078)


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Bhikkhu Hiriko - Ñāṇasuci

The experts do not say that one is a sage in this world because of view, or learning, or knowledge, Nanda.
I call them sages who wander without association, without affliction, without desire.

The Buddha, Sn.V.8.2 (1078)


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