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Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby SarathW » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:45 pm

According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:46 pm

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?
Who would determine that?
This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.

Ar scáth a chéile a mhaireas na daoine.
People live in one another’s shelter.

"We eat cold eels and think distant thoughts." -- Jack Johnson
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby greggorious » Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:32 am

Who knows what we're here for. Why don't you practice and find out for yourself :)
"The original heart/mind shines like pure, clear water with the sweetest taste. But if the heart is pure, is our practice over? No, we must not cling even to this purity. We must go beyond all duality, all concepts, all bad, all good, all pure, all impure. We must go beyond self and nonself, beyond birth and death. When we see with the eye of wisdom, we know that the true Buddha is timeless, unborn, unrelated to any body, any history, any image. Buddha is the ground of all being, the realization of the truth of the unmoving mind.” Ajahn Chah
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby polarbuddha101 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:18 am

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?


It is up to you to decide what you are here for. If your goal is nibbana then that is what you're here for. If your goal is to drink copious amounts of irish whiskey then that is what you're here for. If your goal is to have a loving family and raise children then that is what your here for. Your goals are what you're here for. But you get to choose your goals.

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"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby ground » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:11 am

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?

All that arises will cease. Reasons qua thoughts arise and will cease too. Also perception of "I", "you" and "we" :sage:
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby pegembara » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:27 am

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And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby BlackBird » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:30 am

Hi Sarath you asked me where I got my idea that the only purpose in existence is to reach Nibbana. I got it from Ven. Nyanavira. I will endevour to hunt out he passage in question. But honestly, you seem like an intelligent person, if you know our Buddha you will know that he never spoke in favour of continued existence in samsara, Nibbana is the highest goal - The only meaningful purpose. I don't see why this is a point of contention for you, honestly I don't.
"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby SarathW » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:57 am

Hi BB
I am not in disagreement with you but I just surprise to see someone else came up with the same idea.
I haven’t read or heard about Ven. Nayanvira. Please find me the link.

What I see is that everyone is trying to be happy, from mosquito to human.
We indulge in sensual pleasures, steal, and kill just to be happy without realising that all these happiness is temporary and lead us to more misery.
Unfortunately animal can’t learn Buddha Dhamma. They have to wait until they become human.
Even if you are a human you have to be pretty lucky to learn that from someone.

I was borne to a Buddhist family but I had very little knowledge about Buddhism. So I was looking for the reason of our existence.
So I started studying other religions such as Christianity, Hinduism etc.
One day one of my Islamic friend gave me the copy of Buddha’s Teaching by Narada.
That is the first time I learnt about Anatta. I almost jumped out of the bed because that’s what I was looking for!
I know that my OP is not much help to anyone but I could not resist posting it because I am still seeking happiness from ignorance.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby BlackBird » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:31 am

hi Sarath. Ven. Nyanavira was an English monk who ordained in Sri Lanka in the 1950's.

Here is his seminal work:
http://nanavira.org/index.php/notes-on-dhamma

Here is a short bio:
http://nanavira.org/index.php/home/the-author
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby acinteyyo » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:54 am

SarathW wrote:According to Buddhist stories, that Buddha descended from the Deva world (heaven) to this earth to attain Nirvana.
Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?

Hi SarathW,
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I don't think we are "here" on purpose but it's "intended".
AN 6.63 Nibbedhika Sutta wrote:Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech, & intellect.

MN 135 Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta: The Shorter Analysis of Action wrote:Beings are owners of kamma, heir to kamma, born of kamma, related through kamma, and have kamma as their arbitrator. Kamma is what creates distinctions among beings in terms of coarseness & refinement...


best wishes, acinteyyo
Pubbe cāhaṃ bhikkhave, etarahi ca dukkhañceva paññāpemi, dukkhassa ca nirodhaṃ. (M.22)
Api cāhaṃ, āvuso, imasmiṃyeva byāmamatte kaḷevare, sasaññimhi samanake lokañca paññāpemi lokasamudayañca lokanirodhañca lokanirodhagāminiñca paṭipadan. (AN4.45)

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby reflection » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:52 pm

Funny cartoon!

I think the need to have a purpose is something created by humans. It's like an emotion or feeling most of us have. But is it -as a matter of speaking- written in the stars? I don't think so.

We are in this earth because we have not yet attained nirvana, that's the way I would put it.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:13 pm

reflection wrote:I think the need to have a purpose is something created by humans. It's like an emotion or feeling most of us have. But is it -as a matter of speaking- written in the stars? I don't think so.
We are in this earth because we have not yet attained nirvana, that's the way I would put it.


I agree; having meaning and purpose are human inventions. Even if there were some "Creator-being" what would be his (it usually is a he) purpose and reason for even creating us, testing us? Is it all some kind mad scientist experiment? Why can't we all just go to heaven for eternity without all the temptations, the testing? Why do some live to 4 months and die and others to 104?
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby dagon » Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:58 pm

Please correct me where i am wrong because i am "here" to get answers not to give answers.

My understanding is that i am "here" as a result of grasping that caused caused me to be born in to a cycle of birth, death and suffering and the karma that i have created for myself by exercise the choices in my existences. When i have looked at other belief systems i was looking for some other entity to blame for my condition rather than take responsibility for my own past and present actions. My purpose in life is what i set for myself and that purpose has changed over the years. The purpose i set myself in my younger years was to enjoy by creating illusions of happiness exemplified by using large quantities of intoxicants.

What Buddhas enlighten compassionate teachings have given me is an understanding of why i am here, what is reality and what i can do about it. With some knowledge and a little understanding of the The Four Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path my purpose that i set myself changes again.

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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby reflection » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:21 pm

dagon wrote:Please correct me where i am wrong because i am "here" to get answers not to give answers.

My understanding is that i am "here" as a result of grasping that caused caused me to be born in to a cycle of birth, death and suffering and the karma that i have created for myself by exercise the choices in my existences. When i have looked at other belief systems i was looking for some other entity to blame for my condition rather than take responsibility for my own past and present actions. My purpose in life is what i set for myself and that purpose has changed over the years. The purpose i set myself in my younger years was to enjoy by creating illusions of happiness exemplified by using large quantities of intoxicants.

What Buddhas enlighten compassionate teachings have given me is an understanding of why i am here, what is reality and what i can do about it. With some knowledge and a little understanding of the The Four Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path my purpose that i set myself changes again.

Metta
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Hi Paul,

This may be interesting for you to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkamCVD ... 58791FFE43

Have fun!
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Mindstar » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:02 am

I like to look at it in some sort of impersonal logic.
Lets say reality is some type of computer program that has lots of consciousness processes in it.
But actually none of these consciousness processes have a clue why they actually exist. However because they are able to investigate through meditation practice and have got a good teacher they find out that the only acceptable state to exist in is a state of timeless happiness. But because of how the program has been created this state is not possible. A state of a periodic suffering/happiness duality is not worthwhile to exist in. So what is the logical conclusion? Consciousness processes who have realized these things will simply have an effort to turn themselves off / let everything go, right? How long should one hold onto a hot and scorching bar before he lets go?

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Wherever he goes, there he is unafraid.. Wherever he sleeps, there he is unalarmed!
The nights and days does neither touch nor burn him. He sees nothing in this world
that is to be kept or lost.. Therefore his mind dwells in goodwill and gentle kindness
towards all beings until he falls asleep.
SN I 110
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby dagon » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:07 am

[/quote]
Hi Paul,

This may be interesting for you to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkamCVD ... 58791FFE43

Have fun![/quote]

hi Reflection
Thanks, yes you are right - and maybe Buddhism is the only really sane thing in this crazy life :smile:
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Alex123 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:37 pm

SarathW wrote: Is it possible that we are here for the same reason?


Maybe there is no purpose other than cause-effect, evolution, etc.

What is the purpose of water being wet or 2+2=4?

It is just the way it is.
”Even the water melting from the snow-capped peaks finds its way to the ocean."
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby Martin Po » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:03 pm

When there is conditions to manifestation of such or such phenomena, there is manifestation of such or such phenomena.

Agree with Alex123.
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby clw_uk » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:16 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
reflection wrote:I think the need to have a purpose is something created by humans. It's like an emotion or feeling most of us have. But is it -as a matter of speaking- written in the stars? I don't think so.
We are in this earth because we have not yet attained nirvana, that's the way I would put it.


I agree; having meaning and purpose are human inventions. Even if there were some "Creator-being" what would be his (it usually is a he) purpose and reason for even creating us, testing us? Is it all some kind mad scientist experiment? Why can't we all just go to heaven for eternity without all the temptations, the testing? Why do some live to 4 months and die and others to 104?


I agree

I always remember something Richard Dawkins said

"You can ask how a mountain got there or why its there, but to ask the meaning of a mountain is a meaningless question. The mountain is just a mountain. The same with life"

Paraphrased
“ Your mind is likewise blocked. But the right road awaits you still. Cast out your doubts, your fears and your desires, let go of grief and of hope as well, for where these rule , then the mind is their subject." Boetius
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Re: Are we in this earth to attain Nirvana?

Postby pegembara » Thu Jul 11, 2013 5:15 am

dagon wrote:Please correct me where i am wrong because i am "here" to get answers not to give answers.

My understanding is that i am "here" as a result of grasping that caused caused me to be born in to a cycle of birth, death and suffering and the karma that i have created for myself by exercise the choices in my existences. When i have looked at other belief systems i was looking for some other entity to blame for my condition rather than take responsibility for my own past and present actions. My purpose in life is what i set for myself and that purpose has changed over the years. The purpose i set myself in my younger years was to enjoy by creating illusions of happiness exemplified by using large quantities of intoxicants.

What Buddhas enlighten compassionate teachings have given me is an understanding of why i am here, what is reality and what i can do about it. With some knowledge and a little understanding of the The Four Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path my purpose that i set myself changes again.

Metta
paul



This, monks, is the Noble Truth concerning the Origin of Suffering: verily, it originates in that craving which causes rebirth, which produced delight and passion, and seeks pleasure now here, now there; that is to say, craving for sensual pleasures, craving for continued existence, craving for nonexistence.


Isn't this what all living beings do? But the solution is not to end "existence" for that would be akin to suicide.

This, monks, is the Noble Truth concerning the Way which leads to the Cessation of Suffering: verily, it is this Noble Eightfold Way, that is to say, right views, right thought, right speech, right action, right means of livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right stillness.
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.
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